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Ridley Scott’s ‘Napoleon’ turns a legend into a loser (2:44 PM 12/13/2023)
Angelus ^ | December 5, 2023 | Andrew Fowler

Posted on 12/13/2023 2:59:32 PM PST by Fiji Hill

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To: Fiji Hill

Scott should have directed a dramatic miniseries with relative unknowns.

Or selected a chapter in his life where both are protaganists in their rise to power.

As it is, it’s a sprawling and aimless movie. Everyone in that movie has made or been in far better ones. Scott made The Duelists, so you know he can tell a tight story set during the Napolenic Wars.


21 posted on 12/13/2023 3:48:58 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: vetvetdoug

Its got some glorious moments in set pieces, but not a lot.
My vote for the best “painting” scene. They even pan out to show Jacques-Louis David sketching it.

The battles themselves are not, er, ideally done. They aren’t going to compete with Bondarchuk in any way. In some moments they are silly, as when Napoleon joins his cavalry in a charge.


22 posted on 12/13/2023 3:54:08 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BradyLS

Its certainly not “tight”. Its fair to say Scott bit off more than he could chew.


23 posted on 12/13/2023 3:55:39 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

I mean the coronation is the best “painting” scene.


24 posted on 12/13/2023 3:56:26 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: All

This is far better!!

https://www.amazon.com/Napoleon-TV-Miniseries-3-Disc-Collectors/dp/B00008IOWU/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27G2WI7V8XATI&keywords=napoleon+tv+miniseries+3-disc+collector%27s+edition&qid=1702511762&sprefix=Napoleon+TV+mini%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-1


25 posted on 12/13/2023 3:57:03 PM PST by Reily (!!)
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To: Fiji Hill
I was thinking about seeing this movie, but the R rating and the length--nearly three hours without an intermission--gave me pause. After reading this, I'll probably pass.

I saw it a few weeks ago - and was bored. Not a good movie IMHO, and now that I think about it, it's been many years since Ridley Scott directed a movie I thought was good.
26 posted on 12/13/2023 3:57:47 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: PIF

Napoleon should have been played by a younger man, IMHO. Easier to make a young man old than the other way.


27 posted on 12/13/2023 3:58:22 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

The seen with the mummy is obliquely referenced/repeated in the scene where Napoleon dies on St. Helena.


28 posted on 12/13/2023 3:58:39 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

In this case, IMHO, a very great deal of what was in this certainly belonged there, if it was to be a study of a character. There was way too much in there as it was, however, and a vast range of things had to be left out or mentioned in passing.


29 posted on 12/13/2023 4:01:34 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Fiji Hill

Napoleon was a scoundrel. Swept to power by a movement made to end monarchies, he made himself a monarch. Later he abandoned the defeated Grande Armee to freeze in the Russian wastes, while he was chauffeured swiftly back to Paris in his fancy coach.

The British eventually poisoned him, of course. And years later, somehow Napoleon III was given a particularly skittish horse to ride while out with a small British patrol in Natal. The rest of the party escaped. His horse escaped. He didn’t.


30 posted on 12/13/2023 4:02:07 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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To: buwaya

That’s right. I said Napoleon was “sprawling and aimless.” The Duelists, which was one of his first movies, was tight.


31 posted on 12/13/2023 4:02:38 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: mass55th

We are all losers, in the end.

What matters is what did we leave behind, for better or worse. In Napoleons case (the real, historical one), he changed Europe, and the world, in profound ways, for better AND worse.

You get a hint of both in literature, rec. the “Red and the Black” and “Charterhouse of Parma”, Stendhal, for what he meant just shortly after his passing. If you want a straight analysis, Napoleon is a theme running in background throughout Paul Johnsons “The Birth of the Modern”.


32 posted on 12/13/2023 4:07:59 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

That is one criticism I’ve heard: trying to put too much into it. And as a result, there was not enough focus on any one thing. For myself, I’m more interested in the official history of Napolean than in his personal life. I wish there would have been more of that.


33 posted on 12/13/2023 4:10:48 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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To: hopespringseternal

There was no ahistorical woke in this one that I could see. Josephine was what she was, and IMHO quite well written in this. This is no feminist screed.

There was one black guy acting as one of Napoleons generals in a few scenes. There was an actual black guy among Naps Generals, Gen Dumas (yes, the daddy of Alexandre “Three Musketeers” Dumas). He did have a substantial role as a Napoleon partisan in his rise to power, so legit. There were also a couple of mulatto servants of Josephine’s, which is also fair, as she was from Martinique.


34 posted on 12/13/2023 4:14:16 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BenLurkin

“And years later, somehow Napoleon III was given a particularly skittish horse to ride while out with a small British patrol in Natal. The rest of the party escaped. His horse escaped. He didn’t.”
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Napoleon III died in his bed while in exile in Chislehurst, Kent, England on January 9, 1873. His son was killed while in the British Army fighting the Zulus in 1879.


35 posted on 12/13/2023 4:18:42 PM PST by Ikemeister
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To: BenLurkin

The son of Napoleon III you mean, the Prince Imperial. He and his mother Eugenie were living in exile in Britain. The young fellow insisted on being a war tourist for his own reasons.

That is a genuine conspiracy theory about the horse. There is way too much randomness in that incident to ascribe a plot.


36 posted on 12/13/2023 4:19:00 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Fiji Hill

A pity that Stanley Kubrick never got to make his version of Napoleon.


37 posted on 12/13/2023 4:19:30 PM PST by Noumenon (You're not voting your way out of this. KTF)
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To: Fiji Hill

I remember in the past critics ripping up movies. Fifty years later those movies are still hits on TV and the critics are long forgotten.

Ask again in 30 years and we will see.


38 posted on 12/13/2023 4:22:03 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: hopespringseternal
All these directors should have retired 20 years ago. Now woke infects everything they do and turns it into crap.

The only big name I trust is Tom Cruise. He's using the same formula and it's still working. He seems to be immune to the woke virus (in making decent movies).

39 posted on 12/13/2023 4:25:58 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: vetvetdoug

The eight hour long War and Peace (1966) is well worth the it as is WATERLOO (1970). got them on DVD.

I wanted to see this NAPOLEON movie at the theater (first time in 13 years) but I am too old to go out at nights. I did watch the 1927 version of NAPOLEON and will wait for the DVD.

Also watched IS PARIS BURNING?(1966) when the nazis rig the grave to be blown up. Then one of them looks at Napoleon’s victories and stops at the word....”MOSCOW,(sigh) Moscow!”


40 posted on 12/13/2023 4:28:54 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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