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To: House Atreides
Ukraine is winning because Russia has ONLY occupied 20% of the territory and Ukraine has 80% :)

Thanks for posting the video link. I had forgotten about Brian's videos. Always a great realistic analysis

45 posted on 12/17/2023 8:51:08 AM PST by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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To: MotorCityBuck
---- "Ukraine is winning because Russia has ONLY occupied 20% of the territory and Ukraine has 80%...."

The rhetoric of winning as of losing is in flux, from many sides.

A small survey by sequential date of media headlines....

Ukraine general's view of war 'stalemate' appears to be recognition of failed counteroffensive: Reporter's Notebook ABC News, 3 November 2023

Zelenskyy says Ukraine-Russia war not a 'stalemate' in interview NBC News, 5 November 2023

IF THE WEST CUTS AID TO UKRAINE, RUSSIA WILL WIN. IF THE WEST LEANS IN, UKRAINE CAN WIN Institute for the Study of War, 15 November 2023

Ukraine 'Cannot Afford Any Stalemate' in War With Russia Voice of America, 16 November 2023

Putin seems to be winning the war in Ukraine—for now The Economist, 30 November 2023

Stalemate best describes the state of war in Ukraine Politico.eu, 27 November 2023

In Ukraine, the risk isn't stalemate. It's defeat Washington Post, 13 December 2023

Cheering for winning or cheering for defeat on any side predicts nothing, as the conflict continues as it continues. The "odd man out" in the headlines above is the Kagan-Nuland web site, all in caps. The little survey captures less than two months of headlines, suggesting the media is making some subtle changes in stance and style.
53 posted on 12/17/2023 9:12:37 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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