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To: Red Badger
I found it odd that this article didn't mention the CMB or redshirts at all.

There's apparently a reason for that:

"In 1993, theoretical cosmologist Jim Peebles criticized Alfvén–Klein cosmology, writing that "there is no way that the results can be consistent with the isotropy of the cosmic microwave background radiation and X-ray backgrounds". In his book he also showed that Alfvén's models do not predict Hubble's law, the abundance of light elements, or the existence of the cosmic microwave background. A further difficulty with the ambiplasma model is that matter–antimatter annihilation results in the production of high energy photons, which are not observed in the amounts predicted. While it is possible that the local "matter-dominated" cell is simply larger than the observable universe, this proposition does not lend itself to observational tests."

I also find it interesting that one of the reasons Alfven wanted to reject the Big Bang was that he considered it a stealth form of creationism (as he apparently believed that the universe had always existed).

14 posted on 01/12/2024 7:42:35 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

The Webb Space Telescope has extended our ability to ‘see’ the past to just under 14 Billion Years.

And the objects we see at that distance are almost red shifted to the point of invisibility, but we can still gather some data from the faint photons that Webb has gathered.

For instance, we still see the objects as star clusters, crude galaxies, that are irregular in shape, but definitely recognizable as galaxies.

Now what does that tell us?

It tells us that gravity existed, was weaker than it is now, though still formidable as a force.

It tells us that there was star formation and lots of it.

If there was star formation, then there was element formation going on in those ancient furnaces.

Though the number of heavy elements were not many, they were being created. It would take several more billion years to get to iron and others.

There was plenty of hydrogen floating around to amass enough to light the nuclear fusion fires of lots of stars.

I posit that these ‘stars’ did not have planets or any such non-gaseous solids within their vicinity. There had not been enough novae and supernovas to create them yet.

These stars were massive by comparison to our stars of today. Ultra-Giant stars of pure hydrogen that was not polluted with heavy elements. They created helium on an unimaginable scale.

The irregular shape of these proto-galaxies apparently is due to a lack of gravity to organize into spirals and no black holes in the center yet.

They are just groups of wandering stars that have enough mass in them to ignite but their affect on their neighbors isn’t enough to depress space-time to allow them to collide or merge unless it’s by total random accident.


17 posted on 01/12/2024 8:05:47 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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