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Some Notes On The Trial Of Mann v. Steyn
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 27 Jan, 2024 | Francis Menton

Posted on 01/29/2024 6:12:06 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: Brian Griffin

Many people still believe in the hockey stick, including me, but I personally doubt CO2 is the main cause, partially due to radiation absorption graphs and because CO2 does not appear to prevent temperatures from dropping rapidly in Florida after 3pm.

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I’m sure that many people do indeed believe in the hockey stick but it is a lie. The main driver for data that says temperatures have risen dramatically in the last half of the 20th century is from old climate monitoring stations that while once in rural areas have been absorbed by cities with air conditioners and asphalt surrounding them.

Our climate has indeed increased in warming in the last 50, 100, 200years, and longer, it is a representation of our coming out of the last ice age. Hundreds of climate data centers have been removed in rural areas especially in the far north, removed because they did not show warming.

Satellite climate data shows no dramatic warming, only the steady, slow increase since the end of the last ice age.


21 posted on 01/29/2024 8:07:07 AM PST by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours.)
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To: JAKraig

The US should buy Greenland as a basis for study...


22 posted on 01/29/2024 11:23:40 AM PST by Does so ( πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦..."Christian-Nationalists" won WWII...Biden NOT NEXT DNC nominee!)
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To: Brian Griffin
Many people still believe in the hockey stick, including me,
Do more research on the huge bodies of works of actual solar scientists, geologists and climatologists.

AGW is nonsense, based on the manipulative increasing or lowering of historical temperature data, the ignoring - even to the supressing - of anything not reinforcing the Climate Change mantra and on the so called models engineered to indicate a desired result.

In the last 40 years, there's literally hundreds of failed claims and predictions by the climate loons. No amount of CO2 - which has topped out as to it's heat trapping effectiveness - or cow farts will save us from the comming cold of the extended solar minimums now underway. Depending on your age, you may well have proof-positive in the coming decades.

23 posted on 01/29/2024 1:38:24 PM PST by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TThose look good)
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To: JAKraig; Brian Griffin

That’s right, the UHI - Urban Heat Island effect. I should have included that in my post above. Thanks.


24 posted on 01/29/2024 1:59:40 PM PST by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TThose look good)
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To: MtnClimber

The PSU letter announcing the investigation into Mann’s work started with a declaration that Mann had already been cleared by the NAS investigation (Wegman Report), that in fact, had produced pages of problems with his work, and which members of the investigative group acknowledged that they only went as far as they could under the political circumstances. Keeping in mind that the NAS investigators were all of the AGW side of the argument.


25 posted on 01/29/2024 2:00:49 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Nervous Tick

https://www.steynonline.com/section/71/the-war-on-free-speech

Start from the bottom and work your way up for updates on events and the background.


26 posted on 01/29/2024 2:03:57 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: MtnClimber
I find it odd that there is not more information online about Mark Steyn's excellent 2015 book on Michael Mann's climategate shenanigans, "A Disgrace to the Profession."

Here's the book's amazon.com link:

https://www.amazon.com/Disgrace-Profession34-Mark-Steyn-editor/dp/0986398330/

Highly recommended.

27 posted on 01/29/2024 2:07:53 PM PST by TChad
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