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To: DallasBiff

These NDE things are less scientific than psychology itself.
Purely objective reports. No corroboration by a third party (or even a second party).
“I died a white man; but i was not really dead. I woke up as a red/brown/black boy/girl/woman.”
YMMV


2 posted on 02/18/2024 1:05:17 PM PST by Honest Nigerian
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To: Honest Nigerian

I believe there is a series on Netflix that refutes some of what you just said.

I have read books and watched YouTube’s…some do have corrobation.


10 posted on 02/18/2024 1:28:00 PM PST by Aria
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To: Honest Nigerian

“These NDE things are less scientific than psychology itself.”

I don’t know. I died once and as I approached the bright light I met a Shaman who taught me all the secrets of the universe and how to become one as a part of the cosmic entity.

I was then returned to my body in total peace, at which time I swore off LSD for good. :D


14 posted on 02/18/2024 1:37:58 PM PST by LeoTDB69
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To: Honest Nigerian

I remember I was introduced to the term solipism in a class in philosophy. It’s the idea that I exist, but I’m not so sure about you. I know that I exist because I am aware that I am self-aware. Or, as Descartes put it, I think, therefore I am. Everything else might just be imagined by me.

I seem to recall that solipsism was presented as a fallacy. It’s not bad reasoning; it just violates common sense.

The reason I mention this is that not every experience can be confirmed by a third party. Until we have a Vulcan-mind meld (Star Trek), no one can experience my self-awareness. Nor my free will, nor my sense of right and wrong, nor experience my sense of music and beauty. You can’t experience my NDE, and I can’t experience your NDE.

However, we can each look to ourselves and find common experience. We each make decisions and experience free will, etc. These things are commonly held but experienced singly not jointly. Is that distinction important? Not to me. We each have a sense of right and wrong. That probably means that there is right and wrong.

Near death experiences (NDEs), or perhaps death experiences, are also uniquely experienced by the individual. NDEs are rare. However, there have been several reports. The different reports are not identical, but there are common elements. For example, several report an out-of-body experience.

Again, NDEs are not so common that everyone personally knows someone who had an NDE. I think NDEs resemble miracles. A miracle is something very significant and very rare. As it is very rare, it may seem to defy our understanding. Moses parting the Red sea is an example.

David Hume was an atheist enlightenment thinker. He refused to believe in miracles because they were not reproducible. Moses does not part the Red sea every Thursday at 2PM. I found his thinking very unpersuasive. I suspect that if Moses were to part the Red sea every Thursday at 2PM, Hume would still reject it as a miracle. He would call it a natural event, still not fully understood, like life itself.

I think God gave us free will. There would be little room free will if all the evidence indicated one way or another. So the evidence is mixed, and you can choose what to believe.


15 posted on 02/18/2024 1:40:02 PM PST by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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To: Honest Nigerian

“These NDE things are less scientific than psychology itself.”

Well of course, they are not and they are not supposed to be... :)


20 posted on 02/18/2024 1:52:18 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Honest Nigerian

I am debating going on a rant here—I will try to stay calm.

Your experience is all you have.

It is the best and the worst you were going to get.

“Science” is not going to do anything for you other than (as Terence McKenna said) give you toys to play with.

Other people’s experiences are valuable and important and you would be very wise to pay very close attention to them.

This guy’s NDE was solid. He was not worried about any particular scientific view, religious view or any other dogma.

He just experienced it as it was—and imho that is why it was so powerful for him.

That is the way life is supposed to be experienced—by you—no dogma—no complicated architecture of explanation—just you.

Oh yeah—and treat other people right—because karma is very real and you do not want to mess with it.


36 posted on 02/18/2024 2:46:08 PM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Honest Nigerian

Some NDE stories might be true, but this one is closer to one about Hell than about Heaven. There’s no need for a hospital room on the way to or within Heaven. This video felt off shortly after the man started his story. He saw gnomish-looking creatures which would also not be present in Heaven; they sounded much more like demons.

Satan will use anything, including the Scriptures, to deceive. The uploader’s YT ID is Shaman which is a pretty good hint as to what he’s plying.


39 posted on 02/18/2024 3:22:49 PM PST by skr (Righteousness exalteth a nation: sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Honest Nigerian

Everyone with an NDE has a story to sell.


49 posted on 02/18/2024 4:20:25 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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