Just go full Lysander Spooner and you won’t have to debate the minutiae:
https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/spooner-no-treason-no-vi-the-constitution-of-no-authority-1870
;-)
Thank you for the reference.
I can’t help but notice that despite his extensive thinking and writing, Spooner wasn’t able to reach an understanding of the identity of his Creator. This failure greatly limited his ability to see reality for what it is.