Posted on 04/07/2024 8:35:00 PM PDT by Round Earther
Your list of schools kind of reinforces my point. If UC Berkeley and Harvard, for example, are producing Nobel laureates, then you have a hard time making the case that Ohio State (for example) only produces them because it has a boatload of revenue from its Division I sports program. I would say it’s the exact opposite, and that OSU would have produced Nobel laureates even if it had a Division III sports program.
The NCAA as you know it is eventually going to collapse under the weight of professional “student” athletes.
Do they really make money? Maybe they do! That's 7 schools out of how many state schools supporting teams. Anyway, there are differing views as to profitability.
https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2020/11/20/do-college-sports-make-money/
The above article presents a case that there is a lot of "creative accounting “ going on to show profitability. I've seen other similar articles.
For state schools is the taxpayer paying for an education institution or a sports entertainment institution? It's becoming increasingly harder to do both and maintain a semblance of honesty and educational standards. Maybe honesty and educational standards are not important?
If your NCAA school’s athletic program does not make a profit, it is time for you school to abolish their athletic program.
It is not the fault of the NCAA that the athletic program does not make a profit, it is not the fault of the University of Michigan or the University of Texas that your athletic program cannot sustain itself.
Let the NCAA collapse and let the surviving members play.
From the article you posted:
“only a handful of schools actually make money through college athletics.”
That handful of athletic programs are the only ones that should exist.
There will be no future in major college sports. There are several things working against it, to the point where I can easily see this unfolding:
1. The NCAA is replaced by a professional sports organization.
2. Colleges and universities shut down their sports programs.
3. The revenue from the sports programs is replaced by licensing deals with the professional sports teams. There will be a professional football team called “the Michigan Wolverines,” for example, that has no affiliation with the University of Michigan but is permitted to use the school’s name, mascot and trademarks by paying an annual licensing fee to the school.
4. Students at all these colleges and universities who still want to have sports teams will organize their own club teams like they did in the past (and many still do today).
THE END.
I hear you, but at present, there is no “penalty” for breaking your commitment. A four year contract with no penalty for breaking it is worthless.
That would be a major hit to University’s finances. The schools get TV contracts which is a huge part of financing scholarships. Likewise, the games would need to be played at University facilities because of the gate. Getting kids on campus is a big part of recruiting, not just athletes, but non-sport students. Jeez, you would think these Universities could just get by on government funding and tuition (paid for with student loans) ... but then they could not afford all the scholarships for DEI students.
There’s an unrealistic statement if I ever heard one!
It had to happen. Nick Saban got paid 10 million dollars.
The commitment would be enforced under (1) league rules, and (2) civil law. A contract is a contract, and it will stand up under legal scrutiny far better than a scholarship would.
There are around 20 athletic programs that make a profit.
All the other schools lose money.
The Winners:
exas – $92 million
Tennessee – $70 million
LSU – $58 million
Michigan – $56 million
Notre Dame – $54 million
Georgia – $50 million
Ohio State – $50 million
Oklahoma – $48 million
Auburn – $47 million
Alabama – $46 million
Oregon – $40 million
Florida State – $39 million
Arkansas – $38 million
Washington – $38 million
Florida – $37 million
Texas A&M – $37 million
Penn State – $36 million
Michigan State – $32 million
USC – $29 million
South Carolina – $28 million
Everybody else is losing money and if you lose money, you should get out of the game.
One season, then move on. How does that help a college program?
Just call college football what it is, a farm system for the NFL and eliminate the need for the players to even take classes.
“that Ohio State (for example) only produces them because it has a boatload of revenue from its Division I sports program.
Ohio State’s athletic department had “a record-breaking year in operating revenue” in FY2023 by generating just over $279.5M with expenses of more than $274.9M. OSU’s revenue total “edged out Texas A&M” for the most nationally. The school’s revenue increased $28M from FY2022, “an increase of about 11%.” Most of that came from “more football ticket sales and because Ohio State had eight home games in 2022 compared to seven in ‘21.” OSU’s football program generated more than $127M in FY2023 with a surplus of $55M, while men’s basketball had revenues over $24M with a profit of almost $10M. Those sports “subsidized the rest of OSU’s 34 sports, which had costs exceeding revenues by almost” $56M. OSU had “a big increase” in revenue from royalties, licensing, advertising and sponsorships, going from $30M the previous year to almost $43M (COLUMBUS DISPATCH, 1/23).
And if they are one of the determined teams, which they will be, those numbers are going to increase while the smaller schools are going to lose revenue. And with that status teams like OSU will be getting a larger share of the television revenue also as they will be the featured games and with that will be selling more applied sales items like jersies, hats, and pennants to the public because that’s who the public sees.
So granting teams like them is going to shut down the other schools revenue possibilities. Tha $70+ million dollar profit from their sports programs last year without the assistance of the prime sports recognition is going to skyrocket under this proposed sports recognition. And when you consider there will be a number of schools fighting for the dollar the point spread will go un-noticed.
And the bowl games for football are going to get rediculous. Did you know that last year, only 26 of the 41 bowl games actually had a game where both teams were over .500? That means that better than a third if all bowl games last year was being played by substandard teams that just barely break even...both teams. So who’s good and who isn’t. So how are they going to determine who’s in and who’s out of that elite group? On any given day, any division 1 team in the nation can beat the other. An example of that is that Alabama, an FBS team, was beat by Texas A&M who finished #18 in he nation.
But if a select group is going to get the revenue by this style of selection, then other schools’ programs are going to go away and they will lose academics which is what they are supposed to be there for to begin with.
“...then you have a hard time making the case that Ohio State (for example) only produces them because it has a boatload of revenue from its Division I sports program.”
Shouldn’t be hard. We’re not talking about the quality of play, just the revenues from it. And you also can say that the reason the schools with highly funded classrooms are also drawing a number of the good students because they can afford to lure them there with facilities. And those facilities were paid in large amounts by the sports departments. So adding revenue to them by taking it away from others with TV contracts is not going to help the other universities to grow, but to shrink. Lesser facilities, lesser top quality students. And the just get by’s, are going to be gone.
wy69
“that Ohio State (for example) only produces them because it has a boatload of revenue from its Division I sports program.
Ohio State’s athletic department had “a record-breaking year in operating revenue” in FY2023 by generating just over $279.5M with expenses of more than $274.9M. OSU’s revenue total “edged out Texas A&M” for the most nationally. The school’s revenue increased $28M from FY2022, “an increase of about 11%.” Most of that came from “more football ticket sales and because Ohio State had eight home games in 2022 compared to seven in ‘21.” OSU’s football program generated more than $127M in FY2023 with a surplus of $55M, while men’s basketball had revenues over $24M with a profit of almost $10M. Those sports “subsidized the rest of OSU’s 34 sports, which had costs exceeding revenues by almost” $56M. OSU had “a big increase” in revenue from royalties, licensing, advertising and sponsorships, going from $30M the previous year to almost $43M (COLUMBUS DISPATCH, 1/23).
And if they are one of the determined teams, which they will be, those numbers are going to increase while the smaller schools are going to lose revenue. And with that status teams like OSU will be getting a larger share of the television revenue also as they will be the featured games and with that will be selling more applied sales items like jersies, hats, and pennants to the public because that’s who the public sees.
So granting teams like them is going to shut down the other schools revenue possibilities. Tha $70+ million dollar profit from their sports programs last year without the assistance of the prime sports recognition is going to skyrocket under this proposed sports recognition. And when you consider there will be a number of schools fighting for the dollar the point spread will go un-noticed.
And the bowl games for football are going to get rediculous. Did you know that last year, only 26 of the 41 bowl games actually had a game where both teams were over .500? That means that better than a third if all bowl games last year was being played by substandard teams that just barely break even...both teams. So who’s good and who isn’t. So how are they going to determine who’s in and who’s out of that elite group? On any given day, any division 1 team in the nation can beat the other. An example of that is that Alabama, an FBS team, was beat by Texas A&M who finished #18 in he nation.
But if a select group is going to get the revenue by this style of selection, then other schools’ programs are going to go away and they will lose academics which is what they are supposed to be there for to begin with.
“...then you have a hard time making the case that Ohio State (for example) only produces them because it has a boatload of revenue from its Division I sports program.”
Shouldn’t be hard. We’re not talking about the quality of play, just the revenues from it. And you also can say that the reason the schools with highly funded classrooms are also drawing a number of the good students because they can afford to lure them there with facilities. And those facilities were paid in large amounts by the sports departments. So adding revenue to them by taking it away from others with TV contracts is not going to help the other universities to grow, but to shrink. Lesser facilities, lesser top quality students. And the just get by’s, are going to be gone.
wy69
Without getting into the gory details, I have a good friend who works with the NCAA on a different sport and they know football will be the driving factor in the reorganization of the NCAA and all other sports.
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