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Who Really Discovered America?
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Posted on 07/14/2002 2:08:47 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 07/14/2002 2:08:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
No need to ping :-)
2 posted on 07/14/2002 2:22:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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FENRIS WOLF PRESS

"THE LEGEND OF THE CLOUD PEOPLE"

Gran Villaya, the city of "Cloud People", the largest pre-Columbian city of the Americas, was once inhabited by the Chachapoyas, legend says, a group of tall, blue-eyed blondes. Today the ancient city is shrouded by overgrowth in the high tropical rain forest of northern Peru, but just a millennium ago, it was still a grand metropolis of fortresses and farms that covered 100 square miles.

The Chachapoyas were conquered by the Incas in 1480. Spaniards reported it, the Incas reported it, and as you go deeper into the dense jungle, tall, blonde, blue-eyed people are still found. Up until very recently, some of these people still used mummy caves (like their Aryan-Egyptian relatives).

There are 10,000 stone structures, complex units of circular buildings. Stairways run up terraces for several hundred yards, and there are underground caverns and about 24,000 circular structures of cut limestone. Kirelap, a great elliptical fortress whose walls soar to 60 feet, and which is thought to have once reached 150 feet, defends Gran Villaya from the east.

From the west, the city and its agricultural terraces are guarded by a chain of fortifications. Local myths trace the Chachapoya culture to the 10th century BC.

The people there were architects, farmers, and engineers who built aqueducts, canals, bridges, and once were in contact with the seas. The archaeological discoveries of Gran Villaya have already located 43 lost cities high in the Andes.

Researchers have found roads built from huge stones leading down to the Amazon. There are few stones in the jungle, so they were likely transported there. Pizzaro, the Spanish conqueror of Peru, recording the persistence of white blood at that time, wrote that "The ruling class in the kingdom of Peru was fair-skinned with fair hair about the color of ripe wheat."

Anthropologists in 1971 discovered a tribe of white-skinned Indians in the depths of these jungles. English explorer Colonel P.H. Fawcett, wrote in 1924 of also finding remote South American tribes with blue eyes and auburn hair.

For additional reading:
"THE POLAR MYTH IN SCIENCE, SYMBOLISM, AND NAZI SURVIVAL" - J. Godwin (Serpents' Occult Books- PO Box 290644 Pt, Orange, FL 32129)

"IN SEARCH OF THE WHITE GOD"- Hutchinson "CONQUEST BY MAN" -Paul Hermann (Harper)

3 posted on 07/14/2002 2:28:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: B4Ranch
Nice survey article.
4 posted on 07/14/2002 2:45:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: blam
When God sent the Apostles to "go teach all nations," He knew what He was doing.
5 posted on 07/14/2002 2:46:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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Plain Truth magazine? Isn't that Garner Ted Armstrong? Yikes.
6 posted on 07/14/2002 3:32:09 PM PDT by gcruse
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You have something to say about what the article says? There is so much of this coming out from numerous sources that it is hard to ignore.
7 posted on 07/14/2002 3:35:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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Truth-in-advertising suggests you would tell the reader the article comes from Armstrong. We do as much for DebkaFile, Lew Rockwell, and BSNN.
8 posted on 07/14/2002 3:41:06 PM PDT by gcruse
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First, I didn't post it. Say that to blam.

Second, do you have something to say about what the article says? If you can refute the data, please do so.
9 posted on 07/14/2002 3:52:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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While I'm at it, why don't I refute the Mormon belief that Jesus appeared in South America. Or Mary Baker Eddy's belief that disease is a result of sin? Be sure that Plain Truth slants and distorts what little evidence they find in a very professional manner. For instance, who is to say the rock in New Mexico wasn't inscribed in the last hundred years? How long ago was it the etchings were first discovered? What proof is there it was etched before Europeans set foot on America?
10 posted on 07/14/2002 3:59:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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Mysterious Giant Human Remains Found In Fiji
11 posted on 07/14/2002 4:00:28 PM PDT by blam
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I had an engineer working for me, Zulma, who was from Peru. I asked her about these "White Cloud People" in Peru. She said ,"they're there."

I wouldn't get to up tight about any of this information, some people believe all of it, some, parts of it and some, none at all. It's just FYI.

12 posted on 07/14/2002 4:09:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
No sweat. I appreciate your posts. This one could have been better sourced, is all. Carry on. :)
13 posted on 07/14/2002 4:20:06 PM PDT by gcruse
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Typical demonization approach. OK. Will you take The Atlantic Monthly?

You would do well to read Minotaur: Sir Arthur Evans and the Archaeology of Minoan Myth, by Arthur MacGillivray. He does a pretty good job of pointing out the historic and ongoing role (and peril) of subjectivity in developing archaeological theories. Significant evidence is often discovered by creative imagination extrapolating upon fragmentry information, yet often such information can lead us wildly astray.

Some of us realize that these bits and pieces are necessarily gathered in strange places because the "academic community" is a tyranny of opinion in search of grant money, and thus destructively limits the breadth, depth, and objectivity of current research. Thus, your comments will have ZERO credibility with me unless you address the specifics. I never said I agreed or accepted all of what is here. I didn't ask for a blanket refutation, but a critique of individual data. So far, all I hear is blather. I do think the ancients had a more extensive global commerce than we realize and there is plenty of physical evidence to support that contention, not the least of which is predominant weather and current patterns.

14 posted on 07/14/2002 4:27:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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The Diffusionists Have Landed
15 posted on 07/14/2002 4:30:17 PM PDT by blam
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Hmmm, we were thing and posting the same thing.
16 posted on 07/14/2002 4:31:28 PM PDT by blam
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Come on, Carry. It's your turn. You asked me to refute the New Mexico rock as evidence of pre-Columbian settlement by Europeans. You ignored my questions. If you have no other proof of the antiquity involved, then I say the suggestion that it is pre-Columbian is refuted.
17 posted on 07/14/2002 4:33:35 PM PDT by gcruse
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Go read the article. Then we'll talk.
18 posted on 07/14/2002 5:08:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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Statue found by archaeologists while digging in Olmec ruins at La Venta, Mexico

19 posted on 07/14/2002 5:12:08 PM PDT by blam
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That one paragraph is the only mention of the New Mexico rock in the article. I went to Google and searched from "Las Lunas" and "ten commandments." All I got were hits from religious sources, nothing archeological at all. You'd think I would at least have found a comment on how they determined the age of the inscription. Nothing. Nada. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The ball is in the court of the believers. I am outta here.
20 posted on 07/14/2002 5:28:42 PM PDT by gcruse
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