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Palin, anti-isolationist
The Politico ^ | July 1, 2010 | Ben Smith

Posted on 07/01/2010 2:51:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Sarah Palin is often cast as a reincarnation of Pat Buchanan, who tapped into the nationalist, even nativist, sentiment that's always been a strand of American political life.

But in one important respect, as Josh Rogin points out today, Palin is the anti-Buchanan: She's emerged as the spokeswoman for a hawkish, confrontational, Cheneyite foreign policy that would make Buchanan shudder. She just posted a rather long foreign policy speech to Facebook, and it's worth a read.

And she's fighting an important battle inside the loosely organized conservative grass roots to head off calls from some tea party types and fiscal conservatives like Mitch Daniels to shrink government in part by cutting defense spending:

Palin's drive to lead the charge against defense cuts on the right was on display in a June 27 speech at "Freedom Fest," a conservative gathering in Norfolk, VA, where she sent a clear message to Republicans that deficit reduction can't come at the expense of the military.

"Something has to be done urgently to stop the out of control Obama-Reid-Pelosi spending machine, and no government agency should be immune from budget scrutiny," she said. "We must make sure, however, that we do nothing to undermine the effectiveness of our military

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TOPICS: Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2012; globalism; military; mitchdaniels; paleoconservatives; palin; patbuchanan; politico; politico4rinos; politico4romney; politicoantipalin; sarahpalin; teaparty; wilsonian
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"Sarah Palin is often cast as a reincarnation of Pat Buchanan, who tapped into the nationalist, even nativist, sentiment that's always been a strand of American political life."

Only by those who can't read.

1 posted on 07/01/2010 2:51:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who can’t read, don’t pay attention to politics, and think that Pat had breast implants, that is!


2 posted on 07/01/2010 2:53:19 PM PDT by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She is a better described as a rabidly Wilsonian neocon in foreign policy (Billy Kristol was her debate coach) and a fairly standard free market conservative in domestic policy. Unfortunately, the two don’t mix. A budget-busting world empire only services to undermine small government at home.


3 posted on 07/01/2010 2:56:44 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Imagine that, Politico trying to cast a conservative as an extremist........


4 posted on 07/01/2010 2:59:07 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why does the left and the MSM always think Palin has to be "like" someone else? She is Palin, and there is nothing wrong with that.

It seems if Sarah has one idea that is remotely similar to anyone else in politics, or the world for that matter, then the obama steno pool (MsM) tries to tie her to that person.

Each of us are the conglomeration of many things and people we have met, heard, and seen in our lives...many times unconsciously so. And there are only so many ideologies to go around. So if Sarah happens to believe in one of the planks of Pat's ideology, then so be it...that doesn't make her "Pat".

I don't really see why the obama steno pool even bothers, they are not going to change the mind of her supporters, or her detractors...especially with personal attacks and character assinations. In many cases, the MSM is driving people to Palin's camp.

But, it's how they get their jollies, so be it.
5 posted on 07/01/2010 2:59:24 PM PDT by FrankR ( If we don't stand up to tyranny, the tyrants win, and we're enslaved.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why does the left and the MSM always think Palin has to be "like" someone else? She is Palin, and there is nothing wrong with that.

It seems if Sarah has one idea that is remotely similar to anyone else in politics, or the world for that matter, then the obama steno pool (MsM) tries to tie her to that person.

Each of us are the conglomeration of many things and people we have met, heard, and seen in our lives...many times unconsciously so. And there are only so many ideologies to go around. So if Sarah happens to believe in one of the planks of Pat's ideology, then so be it...that doesn't make her "Pat".

I don't really see why the obama steno pool even bothers, they are not going to change the mind of her supporters, or her detractors...especially with personal attacks and character assinations. In many cases, the MSM is driving people to Palin's camp.

But, it's how they get their jollies, so be it.
6 posted on 07/01/2010 2:59:45 PM PDT by FrankR ( If we don't stand up to tyranny, the tyrants win, and we're enslaved.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
More Politico shenanigans, trying to paint her as a neo-con.
Sarah has linked our energy problem with the Middle East. If we developed our own resources, we wouldn't be over there.
7 posted on 07/01/2010 3:01:46 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Mexico is the U.S. version of Hamas)
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"She is a better described as a rabidly Wilsonian neocon in foreign policy..."

You make a mistake I see many make as it pertains to Governor Palin. You assume that she has done no reading or thinking on the military, therefore she'll do as Bill Kristol tells her. Is that misogyny or buying in to the media's "she's an idiot!" meme? How would you have described Presidents Reagan, Bush41 and Nixon as regards their foreign policy stances?

8 posted on 07/01/2010 3:02:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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I’ve never heard or read anyone compare Sarah to pitchfork pat.


9 posted on 07/01/2010 3:02:47 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012? You Betcha!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The Left has lost the battle to make her go away. They don’t like that and try to take the pill with a sweetener. That’s all.


10 posted on 07/01/2010 3:05:42 PM PDT by alecqss
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Bookmark, with Popcorn


11 posted on 07/01/2010 3:08:07 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Palin/Undecided 2012...make that Palin/Whoever She Picks...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sarah Palin is a Reagan Conservative Republican.

She understands we have enemies and hiding in our homes
like the Hitler enablers of the 1930s only creat a more
serious problem in the end including the loss of our Country and life.


12 posted on 07/01/2010 3:17:32 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: FrankR
Why does the left and the MSM always think Palin has to be "like" someone else? She is Palin, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Because no one on the left who is currently living has ever had an original thought. Their ideas (all proven failures) come from people have been long, long dead.

Some of the newer collectivists have new methods to steal and redistribute wealth, new methods to lie about their true agenda, new methods to control, manipulate, and exterminate people. But no new ideas.

They exist to deceive, destroy, steal, and kill.

13 posted on 07/01/2010 3:17:38 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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>> "She is a better described as a rabidly Wilsonian neocon in foreign policy..."

>Is that misogyny or buying in to the media's "she's an idiot!" meme?

Sounds like an astute judgment based on her record so far.

It also fits Bush43 very well.

Anybody who's been through the 2000 knows that politicians make noises about opposing nation building and calling for a "more modest" foreign policy while they're getting intensively schooled by people whose vision is exactly the opposite.

So far Palin fits the pattern. That's because the people who want to give those foreign policy lessons are usually the ones who want a more active foreign policy. That's not good, but if she were in conversation with Lew Rockwell it could be worse.

That's not to say that Palin or Bush43 are idiots, but people who want more foreign intervention pushed their buttons. They shaped their appeal in terms of what Sarah or W. valued. That happens to a lot of people.

You might want to lose the "rabidly," though, as that always says more about the person who's talking than the one he's talking about.

14 posted on 07/01/2010 3:18:57 PM PDT by x
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PaleoCon's Enable our Enemies
15 posted on 07/01/2010 3:21:54 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone else find it ironic that Smith says she has a Cheneyite foreign policy and uses her unwillingness to cut defense spending as an example?

It was Cheney as SecDef who began cutting defense spending after the Cold War. Clinton gets rightly blamed for his role as well. But he was just continuing what Bush41 and Cheney started.

In 1990 defense spending was 5.2% of GDP, by 1992 it was down to 4.4%. In terms of discretionary spending it dropped from 60 to 54.2%. In real terms it went from 410B in his first defense budget to 359B in his last.

I also didn’t see anywhere where she said we shouldn’t cut defense spending, just that we shouldn’t do any cuts that would decrease effectiveness. I’m sure there are plenty of defense programs that could be cut or reduced without doing that.

As for being a rabid neocon, I doubt it. She’s not a neocon. She was never a liberal to begin with. And she’s conservative on social issues which most neocons aren’t. I don’t even know what her foreign policy views are outside a few areas. She’s clearly pro-Israel(so were W, Clinton and Reagan), and seems hawkish when it comes to Iraq and Afghanistan. She’s for being tougher on Iran. If that makes one a rabid neocon, so be it. So are most Republicans and conservatives.

But I have no idea what her views are on Asia, China, Japan, India, Europe, NATO, Latin America, Africa, etc... outside of a few things here and there.


16 posted on 07/01/2010 3:47:43 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Anyone who has ever thought seriously about OiI realizes that it is a world-wide industry, that control of it is essential to our national welfare. On reason why she was picked by McCain was that the woman has real knowledge of how things fit together. World industry changed radically after oil replaced coal as a fuel and as a source of synthetic materials, specially after Henry Ford began to mass produce the horseless carriage. Palin “gets” it. Hitler got it. No strategic thinker is worth a damn who doesn’t get. it. It may be that Obama sees that the only way to reduce the United States to a second rate power is to revolutionize the oil industry as as to keep the United States from sharing in the wealth it creates.


17 posted on 07/01/2010 4:17:24 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Anyone who has ever thought seriously about OiI realizes that it is a world-wide industry, that control of it is essential to our national welfare. On reason why she was picked by McCain was that the woman has real knowledge of how things fit together. World industry changed radically after oil replaced coal as a fuel and as a source of synthetic materials, specially after Henry Ford began to mass produce the horseless carriage. Palin “gets” it. Hitler got it. No strategic thinker is worth a damn who doesn’t get. it. It may be that Obama sees that the only way to reduce the United States to a second rate power is to revolutionize the oil industry as as to keep the United States from sharing in the wealth it creates.


18 posted on 07/01/2010 4:17:36 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“She’s emerged as the spokeswoman for a hawkish, confrontational, Cheneyite foreign policy that would make Buchanan shudder. She just posted a rather long foreign policy speech to Facebook, and it’s worth a read.”

Which is what our country needs, someone willing to confront and face the problems of our nation. No more pussy-footing around the issues.


19 posted on 07/01/2010 4:21:32 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: jeltz25
Palin is reacting to Obama’s pacifist, or anti-military views. Intellectually, temperamentally she is better suited to be commander-in-chief than Obama is. I doubt seriously she has thought through any of this stuff. Heck, since the war, only Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan among the residents have had a firm grasp of how to integrate diplomacy and the military. One would think that Bush I would have been, but his "realism" was really based on nothing but a desire to help his friends in Saudi Arabia maintain a balance of power in the Middle East.
20 posted on 07/01/2010 4:30:07 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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