[2ndDivisionVet]

Comments?

Apropos of nothing at all, does your "gaydar" go off like "General Quarters" on a Navy destroyer when you see this guy on the idiot box?

[Cowboy Bob]

I’m advocating for mass deportation. Who’s with me?

[Ray76]

> Should leaders merely reflect the opinions of their followers, or try to lead them?

Ahhh, politicians are employees.

[ComputerGuy]

...Demographic shifts suggest that doubling down on white, working class, non-college educated males from rural areas won’t cut it forever...

He just has to take a shot at white males. He's a fag, for sure.

[FredZarguna]

Actually, I’mm not against mass deportation.

[ExGeeEye]

Q: Who decides that the will of “the base” is wrong?

A: People who are not interested in winning elections.

The key to political success : find out what we want you to do, tell us you'll do it, and then move Heaven and Earth to get it done. Lather, rinse, repeat. Do that and you will die in office, “old and full of years.”

[ExGeeEye]

Q: Who decides that the will of “the base” is wrong?

A: People who are not interested in winning elections.

The key to political success : find out what we want you to do, tell us you'll do it, and then move Heaven and Earth to get it done. Lather, rinse, repeat. Do that and you will die in office, “old and full of years.”

[Jim Robinson]

Secure the bordeRs. Enforce the law. No SS numbers for illegals. No drivers licences. No welfare. If they can’t work and can’t get welfare, they go home. Deport the ones caught. I wouldn’t breakup families though. They should take their children home with them when they self-deport.

[Reno89519]

Illegal aliens can be the children of God, but that doesn’t mean we need or want them infesting the U.S. I sure don’t.

[M1911A1]

Secure the border and enforce the labor laws with big fat fines for employers of illegals. Make citizenship a requirement for any government bennies. Set up a huge detention center in the cold wilds of Alaska for illegals who are convicted of felonies, deport the ones convicted of lesser offenses and tell them that if they come back and get caught again, off to the Alaska wilds they go.

There will be no mass deportations required. When the jobs, handouts and coddling stop, they will up and leave.

The vast majority of legal immigrants will enthusiastically applaud.

[Mount Athos]

What if the Media is wrong?

Misconstruing what voters want.

Slandering candidates by twisting their words and omitting context.

Destroying people for raising topics they don’t even want discussed.

121 people caught and released by the Obama administration later went on to kill people and be convicted for it.

Almost none of the stories on the subject of immigration mention this fact at all, they just act like people are crazy and racist and stupid for caring about that instead of the ESPN awards they decided was far more important.

[Cubs Fan]

Almost everybody agrees we must secure the border

They do? I guess I missed that.

and even the most hawkish anti-immigration reform advocates won’t admit they want to deport the 11 million

I do. But the premise of that statement is stupid.

Illegal immigration is like any other crime you punish the ones you catch and others get away with it until they get caught. It's not like 11 million will be leaving in buses tomorrow.

Job #1 is stop the flow. Then deport as they are discovered and slowly over time most would be deported.

We also need to restore quotas, only certain small amounts from each country should be let in legally. and IMO those coming from Islamic countries should not be let in at all.

Also we need to punish eomployers who hire illegals.

[Cubs Fan]

The problem with this is that the immigration schism on the right is largely about rhetoric.

yeah well, it has to start somewhere.

The fact that Trump is being so heavily criticised on the issue is proof that resistance to deporting any illegals at all is massive.

Whatever Trumps faults, he deserves full credit for bringing the subject up and making it a national issue. that's more than the entire republican congress (excepting Ted Cruz) has EVER done on this issue.

[TChad]

...or should we assume most of them are rapists?

No, we'll just assume that you enjoy telling lies.

[faithhopecharity]

the socalled base has ZERO reason to trust the R establishment on much of anything, but especially immigration

theyve sat up there for years while O has been importing hundreds of thousands of fellow travelers from every IslamoNazi krapistan on earth

plus of course, all the Mexicans, etc.

trust the R establishment? not a chance!

[Riley]

The base has been ignored for the past two elections. We lost both of them. The better question is ‘what if the base is right’?

[monocle]

Make conditions so unpleasant that many will self deport.

[entropy12]

The single most important issue in all national elections is economy and jobs. The blacks are an unusual class because it was the only class of people who had slave ancestors and faced century long discrimination. That explains why they voted for a black candidate 95%.

But the Hispanics and Asians have no such baggage. They are looking for economic opportunities and safety fro crime. These people are not blind and dumb. They can see where our current crop of politicians have foisted on them.

If Trump wants to stay on top, he should focus on jobs, economy, criminal illegals, the Wall, and healthcare costs. Those are the winning issues and that is why he is on top.

[Yosemitest]

Rhetoric?
The rhetoric is from the LEFT !
If you really want the CORRECT FACTS about ILLEGAL ALIENS and CRIME, there is NO better source than this;

Book Discussion on Adios, America ( 1:00:05 )
Garden Grove, California,
Anaheim Marriott Suites, JULY 13, 2015
C-SPAN2 BOOKTV.ORG
Ann Coulter talked about her book Adios, America, in which she argues that immigration is the greatest issue facing the United States.
In her book, she contends that America's immigration policy is deeply flawed
and that amnesty will lead to a greater influx of liberal voters, who according to the author, will hurt the economy as well as the country's public and foreign policy.



Ann Coulter on Illegal Immigration ( 48:46 )
JUNE 23, 2015
Ann Coulter talked about her new book, Adios America! The Left’s Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole,
on the politics, media coverage and history of the illegal immigration in the United States. 
She also discussed gun control and the removal of the Confederate battle flag from the grounds of South Carolina’s State Capitol.

Now for your next question:

"Should we talk about immigrants in a way that suggests
we believe they are children of God who (in most cases) are seeking a better life for their family —
or should we assume most of them are rapists?"

Let the FACTS from the PRISONS DATA be your guide.

Illegal Alien Crime and Violence by the Numbers: We’re All Victims
by Peter B. Gemma, National Executive Committee member

But from a religious perspective, I recommend:

Immigration and the Christian: The Balance of the Welcome and the Wall,
Nov 16, 2014, Todd Wagner, Senior Pastor, Elder.
It's long and very detailed, and I put a lot of work into it, transcribing it.
It's best to open a second window to the linked video and watch that in a small window while reading the transcript.
It's a real, long term solution, that no one will consider.
But, ... it IS Biblical.

And finally, you asked:

"Should leaders merely reflect the opinions of their followers,
or try to lead them?

If you’re the captain of a ship,
and your most vocal passengers insist you to steer towards something that looks to you like an iceberg,
do you do it?"

Let's "GET REAL".
Okay ?

If you want to WIN, think about this.
Someone once said :

"There just aren't enough strong conservatives left in the nation’s voter pool to go against HOW he will be portrayed by the media after nomination.
His best chance to become POTUS will be if he becomes a sitting VP and the country gets to know the real Ted Cruz."

I DISAGREE.
That's being "SOLD" by the LAME STREAM MEDIA and the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS".
But I'm NOT BUYING their LIES, and neither should you.

The BASE is EXTREMELY ANGRY at both of those groups because of their SPIN.
So, ... our ONLY CHOICE is to go FULL SPEED, and HARD CORE CONSERVATIVE.
If the LAME STREAM MEDIA and the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" aren't screaming their lungs out against us,
then we're NOT DOING what it takes TO WIN !
Read Ann's most recent book, chapter 16.

A first edition, autographed copy of ¡Adios, America!

The Conservatives ARE the BASE.
And the Base IS Caucasian.

Now you can try to deny that FACT all you want, but FACTS are FACTS !
No one wants to make it about "Race", but the GOP has angered their base,
and the base is tired of being LIED TO.

You can be scared of "Race Baiting" if you want, but it's time we RAILROADED the wimps, and got back to FACTS !

Like Ann said in her book,

HISTORICALLY, WHEN REPUBLICANS IGNORE WHITE VOTERS, THEY LOSE.
WHEN they ignore minorities and drive up the white vote, THEY WIN.
OPPOSING IMMIGRATION IS OFF-THE-CHARTS POPULAR.

YOU'VE GOT ONE MOVE, GOP.
RUN THE TABLE ON WHITE VOTERS, AS REAGAN DID !

Do you really WHAT tho WIN ? ! ?" ! ? !
IF the answer is "YES",... THEN you must answer the question "What IS Politics ?"

IF you have time listen to this 37 minute 30 second radio program

Worldview Wednesday series, For Such A Time As This, Part 2: What is Politics ?
And why the answer to that matters -
from

Steve Deace

"ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS” and their strategy:. Here's the most recent examples of theuy strategy LOSING!
Take a good long look at where "Establishment Republicans" ALWAYS take us.



The "Establishment Republicans" can GO TO HELL !

[MasterGunner01]

In 2005, I flew to San Diego for a reunion of the Gamewardens of Vietnam. Due to overflow at the hosting hotel, we stayed at the hotel the reunion had arranged for us. The Best Western next to the hosting hotel was brand new. However, I felt as if I was in Mexico and not California. Eighty percent of the staff was Latino. most were very polite, but I got the impression they considered me an outsider in my own country. I would just about guarantee the majority of the domestic and housekeeping staff were illegal aliens.

[Waryone]

Almost everybody agrees we must secure the border, and even the most hawkish anti-immigration reform advocates won’t admit they want to deport the 11 million, or so, illegals. There are differences of opinion on whether to allow for a pathway to citizenship or to legalize them, but almost nobody is advocating for mass deportation.

If everyone agrees we must secure the border,

1. Why hasn't it been done yet?

2. Why hasn't Obama's usurpation of congressional powers been challenged?

3. Why hasn't Obama been pressed to enforce the law?

4. Why no fence?

Perhaps, the people in charge don't agree we should secure the border and the premise is not quite true. As for any form of legalization or amnesty, there is no agreement for that at all. Enforce the law, remove the monetary incentives to stay and they will go home on their own. Eisenhower did it once before. Call it a mass repatriation. We could get them to leave on their own if those at the top desired that outcome. But we aren't all in agreement on that.

This brings us to some fundamental questions about leadership: Should leaders merely reflect the opinions of their followers, or try to lead them? My take is that, ideally, leaders persuade followers to follow them. But sometimes that doesn’t work.

Two problems I see with this premise here -

1. These are elected leaders. The people can throw them out if they don't like their direction. Which brings me to number two.

2. If these leaders continue to lie about what they believe, what they really intend to do (Marco Rubio), how can the people make certain their wishes get represented? These clowns know the people don't want what they are selling. But they keep trying to ram it down our throats.