Posted on 04/29/2017 10:57:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Senator Bernie Sanders has said it is “likely” he would have beaten Donald Trump in the 2016 election, but that “it doesn’t matter” now that Mr Trump is president.
He was speaking on Showtime’s The Circus when he was asked about populism in the US and how Mr Trump had tapped into it to win.
“What I recognised was pain. All over this country people are hurting and they are hurting very badly. Trump understood that, by the way, and that's why he said, 'The whole system sucks. I'm going to blow it up,’” Mr Sanders said.
Mr Sanders has been an outspoken critic of the president's policy on the environment, healthcare, the economy, and a host of other issues.
Mr Sanders’ campaign run garnered millions of supporters however he ultimately lost the Democratic Party’s nomination to Hillary Clinton....
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But Trump is the kind of guy who finds a way to win no matter who the opponent.>>>>>>
That’s it, right there.
Bernie’s followers reminded me of Ron Paul’s fans - very rabid but not a huge swath. I believe Trump would have been just as effective against him as he was Hillary.
IMHO the nomination was not exactly stolen from Boinie. While it was finnagled away from him by the Clinton crime machine; He DID receive payment of $600,000 from the DNC, with which he purchased a beach home. And by those transactions he was spared the humiliation of having his arse handed to him by DJT like happened to Hillary; his current hallucinations of electoral victory to the contrary notwithstanding.
What's my point? This Bernie dude didn't even have the intergrity to demand to choose the VP, probably him. And he seriously thinks he would've been victorious against the Trump campaign?
Hey if Hillary, a felon, can say she really did beat Trump but the Russians stile the election why can’t a communist say the same thing? Maybe he thinks because he is a communist the real communists would help him too.
Delusional old fart...
Maybe in 2020, Bernie. You’ll be old enough to turn it from an independent living home into an assisted living facility.
‘The whole system sucks. I’m going to blow it up.’
The commie scumbag couldn’t blow-up a balloon.
Imagine the branding Trump would have given Bernie?
Bernie the communist bum!
I coulda been a contenda!
In a fair fight he “likely” would have beat Hillary. Trump, not so much.
In the actual election between Trump and Clinton the difference was 70,000 votes in four states and then the electoral college would have been adjusted to conform to the majority vote, Trump would have lost and Hillary would have won. All of these bland assurances that we receive from Trump supporters who declare that only Trump himself could've beat Hillary are no more credible than Bernie Sanders' assertion that he could have beat Trump. The margins are too small, the variables too big and too active, to unknowable and unpredictable and the fickle nature of the electorate is not to be discounted. The more unknowable the hypothetical the more authoritative the pronouncements guaranteeing outcomes.
The what-if's in this idle exercise most include the absence of the FBI director Comey's revelations about Hillary, Hillary's fainting in public, Trump's audiotape about grabbing pussy, and the new alignment of the media as it seeks new ways to elect a Democrat. So we don't know whether Ted Cruz could have beat Hillary or whether Bernie Sanders could have beat Ted Cruz anymore than we know whether a shuffling of the deck of any of the variables would somehow affect 70,000 votes in the actual election much less in a hypothetical election. Again, the more unknowable variables the more authoritative the pronouncements.
The irony should not be lost that those who sound most authoritative in arguing that only Trump could've beat Hillary got the majority vote wrong and those who thought that Hillary would win got the electoral college count wrong and the difference was 70,000 votes in four states.
A bit of modesty about our ability to understand the unknowable should be kept in mind when we hear the argument that no criticism against Trump might now be lodged because the alternative to Trump was Hillary and no one could have beat Hillary except Trump. That is the wrong test, the test is whether Trump is faithful to his own campaign promises and whether he is governing as a conservative. No one disputes that he is much to be preferred to the hypothetical presidency of Hillary Clinton. As I liked to say during the election with tongue only partly in cheek, I would vote for Satan over Hillary. So it is no justification of Trump to say that his reversal on DACA, for example, is above criticism because he is not Hillary. His actions must be judged according to the real world of today not according to a might have been world of yesterday. Equally, the nomination and confirmation of Justice Gorsuch should be credited to Trump's account because it is a conservative appointment judged independently and not because it is undoubtedly more conservative than a hypothetical appointment by a hypothetical President Hillary Clinton.
Pretty soon Sanders wife can join John Conyers wife in Jail.
Ironically, it's the scientists who are the most guilty of throwing up weak mathematical models -- with a gazillion variables not measured -- and telling us with great certitude what the climate will be like in 100 years or what's happening in star clusters 100 light years away.
More ridicule of this idiocy is here: Trump, the Unexplained Galactic Phenomenon that has Astronomers Baffled.
In truth, the astronomers are probably very certain that they are speaking utter nonsense. But their zeal for making a living out of fake science makes them the most successful snake oil salesmen of our time.
But I'm more concerned with the honest, every day person whose thinking is flawed -- the Lefties who really believe that a society with open borders, lawlessness, and free lunches is where we should go. A passage from Emerson's Essays hits the point...
But he got a vacation home on a lake as a going away prize. ............................ A participant prize!
To quote one of my Jewish classmates from HS; “A nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn running for president? Oy, fat chance that will ever happen.” She was correct, she voted for Hillary.
It might be apocryphal but I like the Yogi Berra version, “it is tough to make predictions especially about the future.” I think it is equally tough to make predictions about the past which did not occur in the past.
I referred to Yogi’s aphorism as being possibly apocryphal because there are many sources for the quote and as Yogi Berra himself admitted, “I didn’t say half the things I said.”
Socialists like Bernie call such places dachas.
Then again B. Hussein Obama won not once but twice. And he refused to show his birth certificate, one specific requirement for the office.
Ping.
I read your profile from beginning to end. And it’s fine scholarship, reasoning, and crisp writing. Nathan Bedford Forrest is a man whose character has too long been cast aside by our PC culture. It’s a shame that I had never heard his name before except through your efforts.
The high opinion his chief nemesis, General Sherman, had for him speaks volumes about Forrest’s worth as a man and general. And hearing of his great military and leadership achievements despite his simple roots and lack of formal education fills me with respect too.
Being a Northerner who moved to Athens, Georgia only a year ago, I’ve been in search for the “spirit of the old South”. And my only benchmarks so far are Mark Twain and Robert E. Lee. I also enjoyed the Civil War audiotapes of Shelby Foote talking about the Battle of Shiloh.
I’d be much obliged if you would recommend a book or two to push me in the right direction.
In some respects Forrest sounds like the Japanese general and later shogun, Hideyoshi, a guy who rose to the highest level with no education. But Hideyoshi to the end remained an uncivilized man and a cad, whereas Forrest was a man of dignity, intelligence, and fierce determination.
So, all the best my FRiend.
Because my grandfather marched with Stonewall Jackson, I am personally interested in the history of the Army of Northern Virginia. I remain partial to one of the original high-quality scholarship histories written by Douglas Southall Freeman.
His three volume Robert E Lee is a real masterpiece and to its additional credit it is slighted by more modern scholars as a prime example of “lost cause” histories of the Civil War written from a secessionist his point of view. That tells me that it was written before political correctness became mandatory and came to dominate scholarship. That biography is available in a condensed version which itself is a large volume and I think it is true to the original three volumes. Freeman’s description of Lee advancing into the stubble of the cornfield with tears streaming down his face to meet the survivors of Pickets’ charge exclaiming, “it’s my fault, it’s my fault, it’s all my fault” is unforgettable.
Douglas Southall Freeman also wrote a three volume history styled, Lee’s Lieutenants which provides insights into the difficulties with which Lee and Jackson had to contend concerning untrained subordinates. The emotional burden, equally with the biography of Lee, culminates in the poignancy of the last volume when the death roll of the characters with whom one has become acquainted through the pen of Freeman grows until it consumes most of Lee’s lieutenants.
Incidentally, Freeman also wrote a five volume biography of Washington which is a classic and is worthwhile for its own sake and because it provides a background to understand the Tidewater mentality which led the Army of Northern Virginia. I believe Freeman got the Pulitzer for that biography.
There are many other books, I tend to prefer contemporary accounts, many of which can be found if you take a look at the Civil War Roundtable which I believe is still available as a website.
All the best to you and thank you for your kind words.
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