Gephardt, Kucinich Lead Fight Against Assault Weapons

Join Together, CSGV ^ | 10-10-03 | Blaine Rummell

[marktwain]

Up until 1934, anyone could buy machine guns through the mail. Up until 1968, you could buy cannons and anti-tank weapons through the mail. Grenades were not illegal. Until very recently, you could walk into a store any buy explosives in several states. There did not exist any significant illegal activity with these items before they were banned to the common folk.

From the above, it seems clear that "the line" can safely be drawn somewhere above machine guns, cannons, and grenades. We are nowhere near a "reasonable" line.

[neverdem]

What is THOMAS, please?

[Mini-14]

from www.concealcarry.org

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US REP MARK KIRK BELIEVES HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPONS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE NUKES

Justifying his support for extending the ban on homeland defense weapons such as the AR-15 our own GOP Rep Mark Kirk from the liberal 10th District of Illinois says:

"Under current law many weapons are banned or heavily restricted such as nuclear explosives, missiles and heavy infantry weapons."

Mark Kirk runs as GOP, touts the fact he is US Naval Reserve "war hero" but to me he's just another useful idiot pandering to the lakefront liberals to maintain power. If you need some ass wipe, click here to read his letter in full.

[Mini-14]

The Bill of Rights guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. "Arms" are rifles. Cannons, grenades, and nuclear weapons are "ordinance".

The Bill of Rights works quite well.

[neverdem]

"Er wait. Let me rephrase. I think it is possible to control gun violence with gun-control laws, but I also feel that would threaten the freedom of the American people. Therefore, I think both sides are right, and wrong, but again, I'm just playing devil's advocate."

The CDC just released, last week I believe, a report on the effects of gun laws. They did a meta-analysis of 51 studies in the medical literature and could not say that gun control laws decreased violent crime, IIRC.

[Shooter 2.5]

Since you're here to learn, let me tell you about infringing on my rights to be a sportsman.

There is a sport called High Power Rifle. It's a nationally attended sport. Millions of people each year take part in it. There are thousands of matches every year, hundreds every month.

The sport requires the very rifles on your list.



By the way, welcome to FR.

[Shooter 2.5]

Oops. I guess that meant unwelcome to FR. Too bad, maybe you could have learned something instead of trolling.

[Mulder]

http://thomas.loc.gov/

It's where you can look up bills.

[neverdem]

Thank you sir.

[neverdem]

Would you be able to suggest a search strategy for finding out what pubbies in the Senate declined to sponsor the Lawful Commerce In Firearms bill? I believe that's the name of the bill to protect gun manufacturers from being sued.

[Mulder]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:SN00659:

[neverdem]

Excellent, Thank you.

[edchambers]

don't know anyone who hunts with an Uzi.

No but I would if I could Uzi's ROCK

[donmeaker]

Let me get this right- the law was poorly written, had no effect, did not prevent violence.

Gun manufactures obeyed the stupid law.

So now it is not the fault of the people who wrote the law, the people who were wrong, it is the fault of the people who said it wouldn't work (correct) and obeyed the law.

What we have here is a drive to punish people for entering into a conspiracy to obey the law.

[neverdem]

S.659 is still languishing in the Senate. Its title is the Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act, IIRC. It is intended to protect firearm manufacturers from bogus lawsuits.

"Mulder" was kind and gracious enough to provide me with the hyperlink on this thread so I could figure out what pubbies declined to co-sponsor this bill. I've been lurking long enough to recognize the names of the most vigilant RKBA folks I recall. Anyone reading this whose name I didn't remember and ping, please pardon me.

FYI & FWIW this is primarily for those who live in the states or know folks who live in states of the named senators who sponsored or declined to sponsor S.659 as best as I could determine.

Republicans who declined to co-sponsor: John McCain(AZ), Lincoln Chafee(RI), Mike DeWine(OH), Peter Fitzgerald(IL), John Warner(VA) and Richard Lugar(IN). Fitzgerald declined to seek a 2nd term next year, and both Warner won re-election running un-opposed and Chafee won his first term in an overwhelmingly rat state in 2002, IIRC. I don't know if any of the rest are running next year. If five pubbies also co-sponsored, then there would be the votes for a quorum and no filibuster, as the sponsor Larry Craig has a total of 54 co-sponsors.

Democrats who were co-sponsors: Max Baucus(MT), John Breaux(LA), Tom Daschle(SD), Byron Dorgan(ND), Tim Johnson(SD), Mary Landrieu(LA), Blanche Lincoln(AR), Zell Miller(GA), Ben Nelson(NE) and Harry Reid(NV). Johnson and Landrieu won re-election last year and Daschle is up for next year. I think Lincoln won in 98. Miller declined to go for a full term. The remainder are probably also up for re-election.

I must confess I volunteered for McCain in 2000 because I thought he would be better for the RKBA than GWB. I'm not a registered pubbie. So much for my political instincts. But I think if it doesn't get wrapped up soon , then it might get entangled with the AWB.

[Michael121]

Uzi's fire fast but having owned one years ago Uzi's suck lead. They are not that accurate even with the longer barrel. They jam a little too much for my taste. But at 200 dollars at the time it was cheap, got it in a pawn shop in '85, some Soldier needed cash. I took it on Post at the private arms range, and pulled the trigger as fast as my little finger wouold go, the range Sarg came running thinking someone had an auto. :o)

[Michael121]

Wanna join?

The Coalition to Stop Liberals from Telling Lies.

Well wait it would never work. Maybe the Coalition to speak to Space aliens, much easier to accomplish than getting Gephardt to quit with the "I had this Friend...." stories.