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Rush Limbaugh and the Grandmother Test
NewsMax ^ | Oct. 14, 2003 | Jim Quinn

Posted on 10/13/2003 10:36:31 PM PDT by Diddley

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To: jammer
That should read, "I don't argue with the definitions of the components number 2 and 3..." I shouldn't post while the phone is ringing off the hook.
61 posted on 10/14/2003 7:48:03 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Diddley
OK, so Uncle Joe did starve 100,000 people to death, but he was a good dancer.

He starved roughly 7,000,000 in the Ukraine alone.

62 posted on 10/14/2003 7:54:09 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY*.)
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To: ravinson
Right now people are sorting out their thoughts on Rush and the drug laws, and I prefer to directly confront those who may want to still support Rush and the War on Drugs with the blatant inconsistency of such a position.

Basically I agree with you, but your wording suggests a point I'd like to discuss.

There are many ways of "supporting" someone. There's nothing wrong with people having sympathy for Rush (though I can't say I have any myself). There's nothing wrong with people continuing to listen to his show, buy his books, or attend his speaking engagements. There's nothing wrong with people expressing their admiration for the admirable qualities that he does have. There's nothing wrong with conservatives continuing to look to him as one of the leaders of their movement.

What I take issue with, is not what I would call "supporting", but "defending", or even more precisely "making excuses for".

The attitude conservatives should take toward Rush, is the one so many of them _claim_ to have toward homosexuals - hate the sin, love the sinner.

I am genuinely surprised at how little "hate the sin" I have seen at FreeRepublic. Those conservatives who do criticize Rush, mostly fret about how the scandal may affect "conservatism". So far I haven't seen one full-throated roar against Rush for hurting _the society_, for endangering our families or our neighborhoods, our "standards of behavior", or "the survivability of the American way of life".

I know the conservatives think the charges of hypocrisy are themselves an insincere political tactic. But I am frankly surprised to find how hypocritical they really are, how little stock they themselve put in the cant of the drug war. That makes it all the more horrifying that they are nonetheless willing to lock people up in its name.

63 posted on 10/14/2003 4:09:16 PM PDT by space cadet
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To: Diddley
"From the moment a recreational drug user puts the first straw to his nose, the first joint to his lips or the first needle in his arm he KNOWS that what he is doing is illegal.

In Rush's case the drugs were legal and prescribed for the management of pain."

Worth repeating---and remembering.

64 posted on 10/14/2003 4:14:34 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: robertpaulsen
"I don't want to reopen it here ... " by citing a comparable example of a Democrat icon who took pills for back pain while holding the most powerful job in the world, the US Presidency, where he had to make decisions, say about the Cuban Missile Crisis that risked nuclear holocaust -- only because the Dems didn't seem particularly gleeful at the revelations from Historian Robert Dallek's book on JFK: "An Unfinished Life".

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/4543017.htm

Oops. Too late.

President Kennedy needed pills to survive each day, historian says
By TRACY CONNOR, New York Daily News, Nov. 17, 2002

NEW YORK - Racked with pain, President John F. Kennedy turned to a cornucopia of drugs - including painkillers, stimulants and anti-anxiety pills, his secret medical records reveal.

Historian Robert Dallek got unprecedented access to documents from the last eight years of JFK's life for his upcoming biography, "An Unfinished Life."

He found that at various times Kennedy took codeine, Demerol and methadone for pain, the stimulant Ritalin and anti-anxiety drugs meprobamate and Librium, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

The records also showed that Kennedy took barbiturates to help him sleep, thyroid hormone, the blood derivative gamma globulin and the anti-diarrhea agent Lomotil.

At the time of the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy was taking antibiotics for a urinary tract infection, medicine for colitis, salt tablets and hydrocortisone and the male hormone testosterone to build up his strength and energy.

The medicine - as many as eight drugs a day at times - helped Kennedy cope with chronic and debilitating back pain, irritable bowel syndrome and the adrenal deficiency Addison's disease.

He also had high cholesterol, and osteoporosis left him with three fractured vertebrae that prevented him from putting on his own shoes without help.

The records show that Kennedy's ailments were far more serious than he and his doctors had publicly acknowledged. They included details of nine secret hospital stays for back and stomach illnesses between 1955 to 1957.

Discussing his findings in the December issue of the Atlantic Monthly, Dallek said Kennedy's secrecy about his poor health could be seen as "another stain" on his character.

But he noted that the medical records exposed the "quiet stoicism of a man struggling to endure extraordinary pain and distress."

Dallek, a Boston University professor, examined the medical files with the help of Washington internist Dr. Jeffrey Kelman.

"The most remarkable thing was the extent to which Kennedy was in pain every day of his presidency," Kelman said.

65 posted on 10/14/2003 4:20:30 PM PDT by OESY
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To: Diddley
��5{��������Uncle Joe did starve 100,000 people to death, but he was a good dancer.

Jim's numbers are off by a factor of 50:
The Ukraine was like a huge Nazi death camp, with about a fourth of all peasants dead or dying, and the rest so weak and debilitated as to be unable to bury the dead. On Stalin's orders, about 5,000,000 Ukrainians had been murdered through starvation, 20 to 25 percent of the Ukrainian farm population. Another 2,000,000 probably starved to death elsewhere, such as 1,000,000 in the North Caucasus alone. While Stalin intended the Ukrainian deaths, those elsewhere were the unintended by-products of the war on the peasants--collectivization.

66 posted on 10/14/2003 4:27:24 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: ravinson
i'm for legalizing pot...that's as far as i go, but hey, Rush can have what ever opinion he wants about it, and i still love him, and don't consider him a hypocrite. he's been my radio friend for 13 years and i know enough about him to respect him, and if he isn't perfect, so what? i love him anyway. he doesn't have to have every opinion that i do and vice versa.
67 posted on 10/14/2003 4:38:01 PM PDT by libbylu
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To: nathanbedford
I wish Rush well and want his voice back on the radio advancing my cause but I do not believe he can get me to heaven.

I daresay Rush would concur.
68 posted on 10/14/2003 5:55:55 PM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: Diddley
"Great tag line."

Thank you very much.

" Can you sing? :-)"

Not even if my life depended on it. ;o)

69 posted on 10/14/2003 6:54:36 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (One of the greatest talkers of our age is getting sober. And you ain't heard nothing yet.---L. Henry)
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To: OESY
. . . citing a comparable example of a Democrat icon who took pills for back pain while holding the most powerful job in the world, the US Presidency, where he had to make decisions, say about the Cuban Missile Crisis that risked nuclear holocaust . . .

I'm impressed. Does this mean we can abolish the prescription system, and let people medicate themselves as they please?

70 posted on 10/14/2003 7:36:26 PM PDT by space cadet
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To: space cadet
I am genuinely surprised at how little "hate the sin" I have seen at FreeRepublic.

I view that lack of moral condemnation as a positive sign, since there are no reports of anything Rush did to hurt anyone other than himself (unless you include the people he has probably ratted on). Maybe Rush's calamity will eventually lead to a "hate the drug war" mentality.

71 posted on 10/14/2003 8:38:37 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: Diddley
Great observation. Thanks.

Notice how the Lib's strategy is "we got Limbaugh, and Hannity's next", rather than "We beat him with our reasoning and the powerful logic of our arguments."

72 posted on 10/14/2003 8:44:15 PM PDT by GOPJ
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