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Army Dismisses Soldier Cowardice Charge
AP via Yahoo ^ | 11/06/03 | ROBERT WELLER

Posted on 11/06/2003 10:30:59 PM PST by TexKat

FORT CARSON, Colo. - The Army dismissed a cowardice charge and filed a lesser count against an Army interrogator who sought counseling after he saw the body of an Iraqi man cut in half by American fire.

Staff Sgt. Georg-Andreas Pogany was charged with dereliction of duty, according to a statement released Thursday afternoon by Fort Carson officials. A military court hearing set Friday for Pogany was canceled.

The new charge was filed by the company commander after military judges dismissed the cowardice charge, officials said. "He believes that this charge is most appropriate to address the alleged misconduct based upon the evidence that is currently available," an Army statement said.

Army officials did not immediately return phone calls for comment. Neither did Pogany nor his attorney.

Attorney Frank Spinner, a retired Air Force colonel who handles military cases, said dereliction of duty is a minor offense that, if disposed of without a court-martial, usually is penalized by loss of pay or reduction in rank.

With a court-martial, the maximum penalty is several months confinement, said Spinner, of Colorado Springs. Whether a court-martial is held depends on the military judiciary.

After seeing the mangled corpse, Pogany says he began shaking and vomiting and feared for his life. Soon, Pogany says, he had trouble sleeping and started suffering what he thought were panic attacks.

Six weeks later, Pogany, 32, was charged with cowardice, a count that he said was filed after he sought counseling. Pogany denies that he acted in a cowardly way.

"What is tragic about this is the message being sent to other soldiers," Pogany said recently. "It's not about me."

Cowardice violations can be punished by death. Military code does not include a minimum sentence.

Army officials have declined to discuss the case.

Cowardice charges are rare. The last such conviction in the Army occurred during the Vietnam War. Charges were filed against a married couple during the Gulf War (news - web sites), but reduced to mistreatment of public property, said Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice.

"You have to look pretty hard to find any of these cases," Fidell said. "We have a well-trained army that is a motivated one."

Pogany's case and others that are similar suggest Iraqi deployments are wearing thin, said military analyst Dan Goure of the Lexington Institute, a Washington, D.C.-based think tank.

"I think what you are seeing here is a consequence of the changed character of an all-volunteer force," Goure said. "The strain gets worse when you have longer deployments or multiple deployments or changing deployments."

Assigned to the 10th Special Forces Group, Pogany was attached to a team of Green Berets on Sept. 26 when he departed for Iraq (news - web sites). He declined to discuss his responsibilities, citing security issues.

Three days later, he was standing in a U.S. compound near Samarra north of Baghdad when soldiers brought in the Iraqi man's bloody body. The soldiers told Pogany the man was killed after he was seen shooting a rocket-propelled grenade.

Pogany said he was shaken, couldn't focus and kept vomiting. He told his commanders he believed he was suffering from panic attacks or a nervous breakdown and requested counseling.

At least one officer suggested he consider what such a request would do to his career, Pogany said. When he sought help, "I was told that I was wasting their time," Pogany said.

Pogany was examined by psychologist Capt. Marc Houck, who concluded he had signs consistent with normal combat stress reaction. Houck recommended Pogany be given a brief rest before returning to duty, but he was sent home to Fort Carson in mid-October and charged with "cowardly conduct as a result of fear."

Pogany said he asked three times to be given time to adjust and complete the recommended treatment while in Iraq.

Pogany said he can offer a credible defense. "If the Army decides to go down the route of character assassination, I have plenty to show I have been a good soldier for five years," he said.

His attorney, Richard Travis, speculated that Pogany may have received more help if he had been assigned to another unit.

"All he wanted was some help dealing with the physical reaction he was having, including vomiting, shaking and inability to sleep," Travis said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anamericansoldier; courtmartial; cowardice; cowardicecharge; govwatch; iraq; pentegon; staffsgtpogany; terrorwar; waronterror; wtcattacks

1 posted on 11/06/2003 10:30:59 PM PST by TexKat
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To: Mark Felton; ConservativeMan55; m1-lightning; My Favorite Headache; John_11_25; Rutles4Ever; ...
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2 posted on 11/06/2003 11:08:28 PM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Well, if he gets a court martial now, he'll get out of serving in Iraq for a few months by spnding his time in the brig.
3 posted on 11/06/2003 11:27:37 PM PST by m1-lightning (We ought not politicize this war. - Tom Daschle 09/25/02)
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Just wanted to update all of you guys that contributed to the original thread regarding this matter. And also to thank all of the contributers that has served our country in our military. You guys provided very interesting parts of your experiences. Thank you for all that you have done and have gone through.

4 posted on 11/06/2003 11:46:05 PM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat; anyone
What do you think?

Coward or a guy really disturbed by the 1/2 Iraqi?
5 posted on 11/06/2003 11:48:37 PM PST by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: TexKat
A panic attack suggest some kind of mental break that should give him a medical discharge and counseling, not jail.

They have to really look into this one and not assume this was a deliberate desire to not follow his obligations.
6 posted on 11/06/2003 11:51:21 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TexKat
that has served our

that have served our

7 posted on 11/06/2003 11:53:09 PM PST by TexKat
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To: Pro-Bush
Its not mine to judge. I was not there, I only the original read the article. I think that the thing to do is to follow up on the updates of the situation and see what the final outcome turns up.

US soldier charged with cowardice

8 posted on 11/07/2003 12:02:55 AM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Attorney Frank Spinner, a retired Air Force colonel who handles military cases, said dereliction of duty is a minor offense that, if disposed of without a court-martial, usually is penalized by loss of pay or reduction in rank.

What is not mentioned is that the charge is also a career ender. No more promotions, little or no chance of reenlisting.

9 posted on 11/07/2003 2:26:05 AM PST by R. Scott
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To: TexKat
Thanks for the update. I still have trouble with this one. Why is the Army punishing someone that may have an illness? And, more importantly, what do the other soldiers in his unit think about this? Knowing their thoughts of Pogany's performance before and after this incident would probably answer a lot of questions.
10 posted on 11/07/2003 4:17:30 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: TexKat
The thing to keep in mind here- the Army spent a lot of money on this guy. He was an interrogator (according to the other article I read) so think that's a little bit more than a few weeks worth of AIT we're talking about here.

I still wonder if there's more to this? Did he somehow get on the bad side of the SF guys he was attached to?

11 posted on 11/07/2003 4:49:50 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: TexKat
I think maybe he is a bit too sensitive for Military work. That happens. A compassionate discharge would probably be more in order than a courts martial!

He wasn't disobeying orders to march, fight, or attack, merely displaying a normal human revulsion at seeing the internals of the enemy spread around. (Better theirs than ours, yes?)

I feel sorry for him knowing that he has shot himself in the foot re: all his Army buddies, and the job prospects, but I do not understrand why anyone would even consider a charge of cowardice.

If he is going to be court martialed it ought to be for "nausea".

What a crazy world.

If they are going to court martial someone over there they ought to find the guy who allowed the looting of a convoy under his command without shooting the looters, or perhaps those commanders who lose men in the feild and can't show any insurgent body count to pay for them.

I keep hearing about attacks on the troops that appear not to be "answered". That is a real charge, in my view.
12 posted on 11/07/2003 5:03:02 AM PST by RISU
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To: Pro-Bush
My take: He was on the battlefield. Compare to the real coward in Southern California who went AWOL before shipping him out, as a "conscientious objector" -- (by the way, kid, we're not teaching you how to fire these rifles for the Tournament of Roses)...
13 posted on 11/07/2003 5:15:01 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: TexKat
Note that he was in 10th Special Forces Group, which would be particularly intolerant of hesitation when duty calls. Nobody is required to serve with SF. It's a tough assignment. I'm not saying he should be charged with cowardice, but the Green Berets ----for the good of the nation, have a reputation to protect.

He may not have been a Green Beret. There are some non-Green Berets in SF, as support people, but they know what they're getting into, and they volunteer for high-intensity duty. Because they carry the unit's crest, they are still held to very high standards.

14 posted on 11/07/2003 5:47:03 AM PST by cookcounty
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To: TexKat
My opinion: another kid looking for tuition and a paycheck. He probably 'didn't realize' what being a soldier is all about. Everyone gets scared. It's no excuse for failure to perform. One man like that can get an entire squad killed.
15 posted on 11/07/2003 7:19:43 AM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: TexKat; All
Something is wrong here. Read these two sentences again and see if you interpret them as I do:

an Army interrogator who sought counseling after he saw the body of an Iraqi man cut in half by American fire.

Now read this description from later in the article:

he was standing in a U.S. compound near Samarra north of Baghdad when soldiers brought in the Iraqi man's bloody body. The soldiers told Pogany the man was killed after he was seen shooting a rocket-propelled grenade.

In the first sentence it sounds like he witnessed the event, which I agree would be a very traumatic experience. However, one that many soldiers witness and still proceed to do their duty.

In the second description it states he did not witness the event, but only saw the effects of the event. This is confirmed because the men bringing in the body had to tell him what happened. This to me seems far less traumatic then actually witnessing the event.

Seems to me he may be getting off more easily then he should.

16 posted on 11/07/2003 8:08:36 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("I always make it a point to eat what I kill." - John Kerry, Vietnam vet.)
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To: Michael.SF.
Seems to me he may be getting off more easily then he should.

Possibility Michael.SF., but it also could be because 2 different articles, 2 different authors of articles.

10/31/03 article from AP via correspondents in Colorado Springs, Colorado in the Neus.com.au

11/06/03 article by Robert Weller, AP via Yahoo.

17 posted on 11/07/2003 9:03:58 AM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Both quotes were taken from the same article by Weller, the one that you posted in this thread. First quote is the opening line. The second quote is found in line 17, which starts "Three days later...."

The "three days later" is a reference to three days after his arrival.

18 posted on 11/07/2003 10:01:24 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("I always make it a point to eat what I kill." - John Kerry, Vietnam vet.)
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To: TexKat
Thanks for the ping.
19 posted on 11/07/2003 10:06:32 AM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: TexKat
Based on the description in this and the earlier article, he's neither a coward nor derelict. Panic attacks are psychological in nature, involuntary, and as debilitating as any physical illness. It isn't one of those things where you can "suck it up" and keep going. You have to desensitize yourself to whatever trigger it is that kicks the attack off. It could be virtually anything, like a cat walking into a room, being in a crowd, loud music, etc. This guy's misfortune was to have it happen in a war zone while he was on duty, which makes it tough to avoid the trigger while desensitizing himself to it. With treatment, chances are he'd have recovered and been fine. That would have been a lot smarter on the military's part, rather than wasting a valuable and expensive resource, not to mention the expenses of this court martial.

I've had the same problem and can attest to how debilitating panic attacks are. Luckily, my circumstances allowed me to take steps to recover on my own, but it took several months. The episode made me aware of how widespread panic attacks are. Quite a few celebrities have had them, including Steve Martin, Nichole Kidman, and Kim Basinger.

20 posted on 11/07/2003 10:22:12 AM PST by John Jorsett
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