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US "sobered" by anti-coalition attacks in Iraq...
AFP ^ | 11-09-03

Posted on 11/08/2003 6:43:11 PM PST by Brian S

BAGHDAD, Nov 9 (AFP) - Visiting US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage said Washington was "sobered" by attacks against coalition troops in what he called "a war zone," as two more US soldiers were killed in Iraq Saturday.

While the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said it was temporarily closing its offices in Baghdad and Basra amid escalating violence, Iraq's interim Governing Council welcomed Turkey's decision not to send forces to the war-torn country.

But Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul urged the United States not to show bias towards Iraqi Kurds and warned Ankara would not refrain from taking military action if it perceived a security threat emanating from Iraq.

Armitage acknowledged that "in the Baghdad, Tikrit, Ramadi and Fallujah areas, we have got a security problem and we are sobered by that problem."

But after talks with US administrator Paul Bremer and Iraqi officials, he told a news conference he was "convinced we have a very solid plan to get these people who are killing us and killing Iraqis."

While US President George W. Bush declared an end to major hostilities on May 1, Armitage stressed that the administration had never said combat had ended altogether.

"I think it is a war zone," he said of Iraq.

Confronted with the security nightmare, ICRC spokesman Florian Westphal said in Geneva that the Red Cross will temporarily pull out of Baghdad and Basra, but will "remain present in the north of Iraq".

"We do want to make it clear that part of the reason we are doing this is because we are deciding against military protection, the two things are connected," he told AFP.

The announcement came a day after the United Nations also said it had pulled out all its international staff from Baghdad because of the worsening security situation.

Meanwhile, a day after six soldiers were killed when a Blackhawk helicopter came down near Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, two more US soldiers were killed and one wounded when their vehicle struck an improvised explosive device in the flashpoint town of Fallujah, west of Baghdad.

The latest deaths brought to 146 the number of US troops killed in combat since May 1.

A round was fired toward the closed off US-led coalition's fortress-like Baghdad compound Saturday, but the shell fell short, a military spokesman said. Separately, a US military officer said an army convoy came under attack in central Baghdad, but gave no further details.

The continued unrest came as the cause of Friday's chopper crash was still unclear.

"The investigation is ongoing and the results are inconclusive," US military spokesman Mike Escudie told AFP, speaking from the Florida headquarters of the Central Command, which is in charge of operations in Iraq.

The US military said earlier that neither enemy fire nor a mechanical failure could be ruled out.

In Washington, meanwhile, the leader of US Senate Republicans suspended a politically damaging inquiry into possible inadequacies or misuse of pre-war intelligence on Iraq, saying it was being manipulated "to politically wound the president of the United States."

The announcement by Senate Majority leader Bill Frist in a floor speech Friday capped a heated political row in the upper congressional chamber triggered by a leaked Democratic memorandum outlining a strategy for using the probe for political gain.

"At this moment of peril in our nations history, as our intelligence agencies and our armed forces in the Middle East are at war against our mortal enemies, those responsible for this memo appear to be more focused on winning the White House than they are on winning the war against terror," said the Tennessee Republican.

Back at the site of the helicopter crash, the US 4th Infantry Division bombarded the surrounding area, calling the attack "Operation Ivy Cyclone".

Spokeswoman Josslyn Aberle described it as a "show of force" after insurgents carried out ambushes against US forces.

The crash came less than a week after a Chinook transport helicopter was shot down outside Fallujah, killing 16 soldiers in the deadliest single strike since the start of the war.

But although Saturday capped the bloodiest week for US troops in Iraq since May 1, US Secretary of State Colin Powell vowed that Washington will not withdraw its forces "until security and stability are restored."

"We want to end our presence in Iraq as soon as possible but we will never turn our backs and run because the situation gets difficult from time to time, " Powell told Asharq al-Awsat daily.

In yet further testament to the lingering security headache, Spanish intelligence sources warned Madrid there is a "high risk" of an attack on its Baghdad embassy, the El Pais daily reported Saturday.

El Pais cited sources close to the report as saying the warning was a factor in Tuesday's decision to leave only a skeleton staff at the Baghdad mission.

Spain was a solid ally of the United States in the Iraq conflict and now has 1,250 troops serving in the war-torn country.

A Newsweek poll released Saturday meanwhile showed 51 percent of Americans disapproved of President George W. Bush's overall handling of the Iraqi situation.

Fifty-three percent thought the United States does not have a well-thought-out plan for post-war Iraq, 60 percent said their government was spending far too much money there, 75 percent were afraid the US would get bogged down in Iraq for many years without favorable results, and 54 percent thought too many US troops were in Iraq and should be brought home.

Turkey's announcement that it was abandoning plans to send troops to Iraq in response to a request from its US ally was broadly welcomed.

"The (Iraqi) Governing Council welcomes the decision of the Turkish government not to send forces," Governing Council spokesman Hamid al-Kifai told reporters Saturday.

"The Governing Council has always said that security and stability cannot be maintained in the presence of foreign forces."

burs/aln/mk

Iraq-worldwrap


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: iraq; powellwatch

1 posted on 11/08/2003 6:43:11 PM PST by Brian S
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To: Brian S
"But Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul urged the United States not to show bias towards Iraqi Kurds and warned
Ankara would not refrain from taking military action if it perceived a security threat emanating from Iraq."

How does the US potentially handle this event?
2 posted on 11/08/2003 6:51:25 PM PST by inPhase
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To: inPhase
I think we would actually obliterate any Turks who made a move.
The Turks have played their hand badly. They've blustered without backing because that's what Muslims do.
Now, since they've lost the $2B in debt subsidies, they've got to do something.
We've asked them to be part of the coalition and they've refused, a show of independence.
But they're reserving the right to self-protect.
That's fine.
But I think Ankara realizes what we're capable of.
3 posted on 11/08/2003 6:55:30 PM PST by dyed_in_the_wool (Slowly I turned...step by step...inch by inch...)
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To: Brian S
I didn't know they were drunk.

Glad they're sober now after 300+ dead.

Maybe they'll begin kicking ass.
4 posted on 11/08/2003 6:58:05 PM PST by Finalapproach29er ("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
You think that the Turks are scheming for payments from us? If they enter in the middle it would be very messy, let's see,
Syria, Iran, then Turkey in the middle and Iraq in civil war; what a mess.
8 posted on 11/08/2003 7:39:13 PM PST by inPhase
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To: Brian S
Brian S, with your (and Jim Robinson's) permission, I'll now hi-jack your thread to
challenge lurkers/posters to strike a blow (form anytown USA) by sending a military
care-package to raise the spirits of our best-and-brightest overseas...
and to poke the French, Germans, Turks, South Korean (etc.) government officials
in the eye by showing we really support our troops.


NOW HEAR THIS ALL LURKERS/POSTERS:

THIS WEEKEND (November 8 and 9) is the LAST SHOPPING WEEKEND
for Parcel Post mailing
of care packages to our BEST AND BRIGHTEST who will be stationed far from home for the holidays
(deadline for this inexpensive mailing route is November 13th).

TIME to:
SHOP
BOX
and
MAIL


for shipping advice, see threads at these URLs:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003802/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/997310/posts

THAT IS ALL!
till next time...
9 posted on 11/08/2003 7:45:29 PM PST by VOA
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To: Brian S
Do coalition forces sweep the Fallujah area, Baghdad, etc. for arms that can be used against them? If they don't they ought to.
10 posted on 11/08/2003 8:58:57 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: VOA
Your welcomed on any thread I initiate with this most valuable information.

Thank you for your efforts.
11 posted on 11/08/2003 9:03:02 PM PST by Brian S
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To: Brian S; inPhase; dead; JohnHuang2
Just in case anyone is listening ... Why don't we go to the Sunni triangle in force? EMPTY every town into camps - take IDs, take the bad guys, offer rewards, search the town stem to stern. I do wish I had an idea of how many bad guys we're taking out as we lose ours - 10 to 1? Stop the daily attacks. Hard.
Stay safe.

John - we're not personally aquainted but you once did a mega-ping for me. If I might impose once more ... its important. Thanks. Charlie.

12 posted on 11/08/2003 10:23:23 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Do not believe everything you read! Suspicious sources: NYT, WP, LAT. You have been warned.)
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To: VOA
The same links: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003802/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/997310/posts

13 posted on 11/08/2003 10:31:08 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Do not believe everything you read! Suspicious sources: NYT, WP, LAT. You have been warned.)
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To: Tunehead54
Thanks very much for fixing up the links!
14 posted on 11/08/2003 10:33:11 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA; nerdwithamachinegun
Just a bump with a twist - de nada.
I was talking with nerdwithamachinegun about a care package but he hasn't written back recently - he owes me an AP address. Hope he's alright. Jon?
15 posted on 11/08/2003 10:53:16 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Do not believe everything you read! Suspicious sources: NYT, WP, LAT. You have been warned.)
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To: Tunehead54
Private reply on the way!

Things have been exciting and busy.

Our Global Strategies Rent-a-Gurkha guards have been replaced with a bunch of Fleet Antiterrorism Support Team Marines that will KICK YOUR ASS if you don't stop and show proper ID.

I've personally witnessed an NCO and a full bird colonel, who shall remain nameless since he reads this stuff, get put down hard.

Here's something to ponder:
If we lock down the Sunni Triangle, and truly occupy that area, will be be playing whack a mole with the bad guys popping up elsewhere?
16 posted on 11/08/2003 11:42:41 PM PST by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: Tunehead54; Brian S; dead; JohnHuang2
Heard a version of that suggested by a caller to Drudge about a week ago. Come out of the "town" whomever wants to and you will be searched etc. Make clear announcements. Then level the place.


"Just in case anyone is listening ... Why don't we go to the Sunni triangle in force? EMPTY
every town into camps - take IDs, take the bad guys, offer rewards, search the town stem to
stern. I do wish I had an idea of how many bad guys we're taking out as we lose ours - 10
to 1? Stop the daily attacks. Hard."
17 posted on 11/08/2003 11:55:16 PM PST by inPhase
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To: nerdwithamachinegun
You have FReepmail - hope all is well.
18 posted on 11/11/2003 3:05:46 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Do not believe everything you read! Suspicious sources: NYT, WP, LAT. You have been warned.)
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To: Brian S; Finalapproach29er
A soldier puts the Texas flag back onto the casket of U.S. Sgt. First Class Gary L. Collins after the wind blew it off during his funeral at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Virginia, November 25, 2003. Collins, from Hardin, Texas, was killed in Iraq (news - web sites) on November 8, 2003, when his Bradley Fighting Vehicle hit an explosive device in Fallujah. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

19 posted on 11/30/2003 3:54:35 PM PST by berserker
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To: Post Toasties
Daughters Taylor, 8, (L) and Landry stand with their mother Kassandra as the flag-draped casket of U.S. Sgt. First Class Gary L. Collins is carried to its burial site during his funeral at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, Virginia, outside Washington, November 25, 2003. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque

20 posted on 11/30/2003 3:57:00 PM PST by berserker
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