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1 posted on 11/16/2003 4:14:24 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
I am given to understand, that the C.S.I.S. was Dr. Ray Cline's post-C.I.A. organization. The late Dr. Cline sounded like a smart fellow, but even he made mistakes:

At: http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/dr-cline.htm

Dr. Ray S. Cline, the key CIA analyst on Korea from 1949 to 1952, passed away on 15 March, 1996 in Arlington, Virginia. He was responsible for clanking out monthly "Estimate of the World Situation" on sensitive areas. Korea was covered now and then. Referring to his failure to spot Kim Ilsung's invasion of S Korea, Cline admitted that "Mostly I simply wrote down analytical comments based on my reading of newspapers and periodical literature, adding items from the research analysts wherever possible." Dr. Ray Cline is assumed to be the author of the infamous CIA report on Korea, issued only a few days prior to the invasion:

US Central Intelligence Agency: Current Capabilities of the North Korean Regime, Office of Research and Estimates 18-50 (19 June 1950) ...

As shown in the extracts below, the CIA estimates were off by as much as 150% on the low side. This error enhanced the US confidence that the S Korean Army could repel any invasion from North. Cline claimed that MacArthur kept the CIA out of Japan and Korea. Later in 1960-1962, he made significant contributions by correctly assessing the Soviet missile sites in Cuba and also publishing Nikita S. Krushchev's secret speech which denounced Stalin.

"N Korea suffers from a shortage of skilled administrative personnel and from weaknesses in its economy and its official Party organizations. There is widespread, although passive, popular discontent with the Communist government. Despite these weaknesses, however, the regime has, with Soviet assistance, clearly demonstrated an ability to continue its control and development of northern Korea."

"The northern Korean regime is also capable, in pursuit of its major external aim of extending control over southern Korea, of continuing and increasing its support of the present program of propaganda, infiltration, sabotage, subversion, and guerrilla operations against southern Korea. This program will not be sufficient in itself, however, to cause a collapse of the southern Korean regime and extension of Communist control over the south so along as US economic and military aid to southern Korea is not substantially reduced or seriously dissipated."

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3 posted on 11/16/2003 4:22:52 AM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: areafiftyone
First, it's a lie as seamole's post proves and, second, yesterday we had the big CIA Bombshell: Saddam Financed Lead 9/11 Hijacker, making it irrelevant. So it's an irrelevant lie. I hate the lying, irrelevant bastards at the Washington Post!
5 posted on 11/16/2003 4:30:31 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: areafiftyone
Only possibility was Saddam's Fedayeen [his son's irregular terrorist force] and talk only.

That's a highly political (as opposed to analytical) statement. It's also noteable that the Post is tripping all over itself to publish the mere opinions (as opposed to facts) of a private citizen as the basis of this article.

9 posted on 11/16/2003 4:56:50 AM PST by witnesstothefall
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Quite obviously the Post is generating some talking points for the Democrats.

There is absolutely nothing new in this article, just a twisted presentation of information that has been hashed and rehashed through the press that laast few months.If this is all they could come up with. most of it already refuted, it's pretty pathetic.

11 posted on 11/16/2003 4:58:36 AM PST by capt. norm ( I intend to live forever -- so far so good.)
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Oh, OK, if the Washington Pest says so, it must be true. I suppose they got their insights from Joe "Look at meeeeeeeeeeee!" Wilson...
15 posted on 11/16/2003 5:07:24 AM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Dick Gephardt, Before He Can Do It To You!)
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Anthony Cordesman, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies,


Cordesman is one of Clinton's former advisors, folks. Take this article from there and recall his little group is a left leaning "think" tank.
16 posted on 11/16/2003 5:10:24 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: areafiftyone
Another leftest straw.
18 posted on 11/16/2003 5:29:24 AM PST by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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To: areafiftyone
This is just my opinin, but, since the war, I see Saddamm Hussein as a big-talking guy, trying to build a serious image for himself, both within his country and without. All that big talk caused to US to call his bluff, and all he had was two deuces. Shame on our intelligence organizations-- thanks to Clinton, in part. That said, the Iraqi people should absolutely rejoice and thank the US for ridding them of the maniac/psycho and his progeny.
21 posted on 11/16/2003 5:39:26 AM PST by Clara Lou
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Since we now know that the CIA can’t find it’s ass with both hands, I now dismiss any article that includes the words “CIA Finds No Evidence…”
25 posted on 11/16/2003 6:17:32 AM PST by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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Although there was no evidence of chemical weapons production, Kay said he had located biological work "under cover of new agricultural facility" that showed "advances in developing dry storable powder forms of botulinum toxin," Cordesman wrote.

Well, I wonder what they were planning to do with that?

26 posted on 11/16/2003 6:36:13 AM PST by Amelia
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I am sure that the Washington Post could hear a shot, run into the room, see Clinton holding a gun, smoke coming out of the barrel, a dead woman and the Headline would read No Evidence of Clinton involvement.
38 posted on 11/16/2003 8:21:36 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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Cute. The Washington Post trying to do some damage control. How sweet.

40 posted on 11/16/2003 8:41:43 AM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: areafiftyone
Ever since the Compost got by with the blatant lies about Deep Throat, the Compost feels that it can lie about GW 24/7/365 without being challenged.

This is just the latest example of the Compost's lies about Iraq, $oddomite and GW.

How much did Soros pay for this trash to printed?
41 posted on 11/16/2003 9:31:58 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("If you can read this, thank a teacher!....Since it is in English, thank a Veteran!")
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To the terminally naive Liberals, absense of evidence is evidence of absense.
42 posted on 11/16/2003 9:32:04 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("...the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.")
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Guess the WP didn't get a copy of the 16 page memo?

That or they didn't want to read it for obvious reasons
45 posted on 11/16/2003 10:07:51 AM PST by Mo1
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This is total BS. The ONLY conclusion the CIA came to is that the memo they sent to The Senate Select Comittee on Intelligence was not 100% confirmed intelligence and that no conclusions were drawn. PERIOD. I said this morning the thing was leaked as the first part of Rockefeller and other Senate Dems plan to turn US intelligence into a political platform.

looks like I was right.

49 posted on 11/16/2003 11:28:34 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: areafiftyone
"No evidence" is not definitive of "no link". This is wishful thinking by the left...and, incidently, it is putting words in the mouth of the President. The President, if I recall, did not say Hussein was for sure providing WMDs to terrorists. He did say the possibility existed, and he did show links between terrorist organizations and Saddam's regime.

The press is continuously putting words in the mouth of the President that he never spoke. (9/11-Iraq connection, African uranium, and now this...these are ones I can name off the top of my head.)

Liberals, idiots that they are, play along and this will be to their electoral detriment. :)

51 posted on 11/16/2003 5:57:26 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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