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"The more destructive impact of the decision for society is the court's insidious denial of morality itself as a rational basis for legislation.'
1 posted on 12/08/2003 7:12:18 PM PST by Kay Soze
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To: Kay Soze
Democrats and liberal activist judges are the only ones mandating a "moral code" on the rest of the population.
2 posted on 12/08/2003 7:24:05 PM PST by Holden Magroin
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To: Kay Soze
I think these quotes are appropriate here:

(For expressing that morality and government do indeed have a connection.)

"It is impossible that a nation of infidels or idolaters should be a nation of free men. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom." --Patrick Henry



"No man is a good citizen unless he so acts as to show that he
actually uses the Ten Commandments, and translates the Golden
Rule into his life conduct." --Theodore Roosevelt



"If men will not be governed by the Ten Commandments, they shall be governed by the ten thousand commandments." --G. K. Chesterton


3 posted on 12/08/2003 7:40:18 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Kay Soze
morality itself as a rational basis for legislation.

That got us Prohibition, the War on Drugs,  blue laws,
and people who vote a country dry, then move.

I'll take the Constitutional guarantees of equal protection every time
over some needle-nosed moralizer's plan for how everyone else should
be living their lives.
4 posted on 12/08/2003 8:08:40 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Kay Soze
There is simply no such thing as "gay marriage".

Marriage is between a man and woman by definition.
I wouldn't say that legalizing gay marriage undermines society's moral, as much as it reflects the moral blindness and depravity of that society.

6 posted on 12/08/2003 8:20:51 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Kay Soze
read later
7 posted on 12/08/2003 8:25:12 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Kay Soze
Another thing this is doing is getting a lot of people outraged that government is involved in marriages at all.

This serves as another attack on traditional families. All "family units" are equal. Living with biological mother and father, living with biological mother and wandering biological father (M.I.A.), living with biological mother who hates biological father and now shacks up with lesbian co-mother, living with biological mother who never sees "homosexual" biological father who provided sperm sample for turkey basting and lesbian co-mother, living with biological mother and half-brothers and half-sisters from assorted temporary biological fathers some of whom are M.I.A....

And some wonder why Jerry Springer draws such a large audience.

16 posted on 12/08/2003 9:10:35 PM PST by weegee (No blood for ratings! This means YOU AOL-Time-Warner-Turner-CNN)
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18 posted on 12/08/2003 9:15:50 PM PST by Kay Soze (How does the "W" fit in at a gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism ?)
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To: Kay Soze
The author is a raving, anti-constitutional nutcase:

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"In a republican form of government, which the Constitution guarantees for the United States, elected officials are meant to set social policy for the country.

They do so by embodying their view of America's moral choices in law.


In reality, legislatures discharge their moral mandates all the time, and not just in controversial areas such as abortion, gay rights, pornography, and the like.

Animal rights, protection of endangered species, many zoning laws, and a great deal of environmental protection - especially wilderness conservation - are based on moral imperatives (as well as related aesthetic preferences).


Indeed, some of these choices can and do infringe individual liberty considerably:

For example, protecting spotted owl habitat over jobs puts a lot of loggers out of work and their families in extremis.

Likewise, zoning restrictions can deprive individuals of their ability to use their property and live their lives as they might otherwise prefer.

Frequently, the socially constrained individuals will sue the state, claiming that such legal restrictions "take" property or deprive them of "liberty" in violation of the Fifth Amendment, or constitute arbitrary and capricious governmental action.

[But] --- no one contends that the government does not have the legitimate power to promote the general welfare as popularly defined."






The man is a socialist dupe, and it is incredible that a number of self described conservatives are on this thread defending his agenda.
75 posted on 12/08/2003 10:20:18 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Rickenbacker in me.)
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To: Kay Soze
The more destructive impact of the decision for society is the court's insidious denial of morality itself as a rational basis for legislation.

Insidious? It's not exactly a big secret that the liberal, Jeffersonian tradition rejects moralizing when it comes to the law, and prefers a no-harm-no-foul policy.

129 posted on 12/08/2003 11:35:05 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Kay Soze
All laws are about someone's morality. The only question is - whose morality are we going to base our laws upon?
247 posted on 12/09/2003 11:31:27 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: Kay Soze
"Gay marriage" is a double oxymoron. The mock solemnification of a perverted asexual relationship, is neither gay nor is it a marriage. It is a ridiculous sign of an intellectually sterile, and increasingly morally bankrupt era, that those with a warped self-serving agenda, can get away with such an absurd misuse of our language.

As I have pointed out before, I feel sorry for many who suffer from the unholy and dysfunctional tendencies, now being mislabeled as "gay." I am not for breaking down the doors of private residences on a witch-hunt to catch and destroy adults who voluntarily engage in deviant practices with other (consenting) adults. But this issue is coming to the fore, not because of aggressive enforcement of moral codes by the defenders of the American tradition and values. This issue has been brought to the fore by the connivance of those with a totally perverted agenda--an effort to confuse the population generally in some of its most basic concepts.

Under these circumstances, it is important that those who care about the future; those who honor the past, and understand how Western Society came to be the vehicle that has made our lives so pleasant and consistent, and mean to preserve it for the next and future generations; nay, it is mandatory, if we be not mad, that we take proper umbrage at these outrageous excesses, and make it very clear--clear to every adolescent in the land--that this is, in fact, a double oxymoron, and will not be accorded any credibility at all.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

285 posted on 12/09/2003 2:05:03 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Kay Soze
Good find. It is not a matter of "imposing morality" or not. The real question is: whose morality will be imposed? There is no such thing as a cultural vacuum.
290 posted on 12/09/2003 5:11:01 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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