Compassionate Society Should Discourage Deadly Homosexual Behavior

American Family Association ^ | March 19, 2001 | Gary Glenn, State Director AFA/Michigan

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Do we see any pro-alcoholics group demanding that we accept their lifestyle? Do we see any pro-cocaine use groups demand that we accept them? Do we see any of these two groups or any other group that engages in behavior which is significantly destructive to ones health demanding that these lifestyles be sold in schools to unsuspecting minds and hearts as a "safe "ok" lifestyle? That is why you see so much of this particular sin being talked about on here.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Groups that promote this unhealth lifestyle want to get to kids before parents can speak to them about sex at an appropriate age.Plain and simple. They know most Americans object to the homosexual lifestyle and they are trying to change that.

[jimkress]

You lied. You got caught. You've been exposed.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

You act as if I had some preconceived mission. I didn't!

Oh well...I expalined myself at the beginning.

[Modernman]

They know most Americans object to the homosexual lifestyle

Based on the polls we've been seeing over the last few days, I don't think most Americans object to the homosexual lifestyle. I think most American are pretty neutral on the topic- I certainly know I am (well, I'm okay with attractive lesbians, but that's just me...).

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Exposed? The only thing that looks apparent from your anger is that you are exposing yourself to be....

I did not purposely intend to deceive.

You don't like the info I posted, and you're #issed off about it, you've exposed YOURSELF.

The info is there, anyway. The new Engalnd Journal stats are there at the first link and the Oxford site stats can be found after clicking at that link.

What it comes down to, is...

Thou doth protest TOO MUCH.

[jimkress]

Nice try. However, the Admin Moderator finally fixed the article title so that it is the correct one, not the one you fabricated.

Honesty is the best policy - you should try it.

[Blzbba]

"so the activities themselves can't be called "abnormal."


While I see your point, I still disagree. Hands weren't intended for vaginal or anal insertion (I'm talking the whole hand, not fingers), nor was the anus designed by either God or Nature to be anything more than a one-way exit for fecal matter. If you're a biblical Christian, it's wrong for obvious reasons. If you're an evolutionist, it's wrong since anal sex and fisting aren't procreative and do nothing to spread genetic material to offspring.

Using your example, 100% of homos do these activities. That doesn't make them "normal".

[Jeff Gordon]

That is tragic. We should discourage all dangerous behavior in our compassion. Police, firefigthers, soldiers, bull fighters, boxers, parachustists.... all should be discouraged.

[HouTom]

Most gay people I know would prefer to just live our lives. I would call us the silent majority, but somehow I think that will only draw more ire.

[owen_osh]

International Journal of Epidemiology 2001;30:1499
© International Epidemiological Association 2001

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Letter to the Editor

Gay life expectancy revisited
Robert S Hogg, Steffanie A Strathdee, Kevin JP Craib, Michael V O'shaughnessy, Julio Montaner and Martin T Schechter
British Columbia Centre for Excellence in HIV/AIDS, St Paul's Hospital, University of British Columbia, Vancouver Canada. E-mail: bobhogg@hivnet.ubc.ca

Over the past few months we have learnt of a number of reports regarding a paper we published in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the gay and bisexual life expectancy in Vancouver in the late 1980s and early 1990s.1 From these reports it appears that our research is being used by select groups in US2 and Finland3 to suggest that gay and bisexual men live an unhealthy lifestyle that is destructive to themselves and to others. These homophobic groups appear more interested in restricting the human rights of gay and bisexuals rather than promoting their health and well being.

The aim of our research was never to spread more homophobia, but to demonstrate to an international audience how the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men can be estimated from limited vital statistics data. In our paper, we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871. In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia.4

It is essential to note that the life expectancy of any population is a descriptive and not a prescriptive mesaure.5 Death is a product of the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an individual gay and bisexual man's risk of death is truly needed for legal or other purposes, then people making these estimates should use the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all males are the appropriate ones to be used.

In summary, the aim of our work was to assist health planners with the means of estimating the impact of HIV infection on groups, like gay and bisexual men, not necessarily captured by vital statistics data and not to hinder the rights of these groups worldwide. Overall, we do not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.

References

1 Hogg RS, Strathdee SA, Craib KJP, O'Shaughnessy MV, Montaner JSG, Schechter MT. Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay men. International Journal of Epidemiology 1997;26(3):657–61.[Abstract]

2 Based on information obtained from the following three websites: http://www.frc.org/ie/important/important0400b.html, http://www.geocities.com/liberalwatch/showtime.htm, and http://www.tcyes.org/page2.html

3 Based on correspondence with Olli Stålström regarding use of our paper by some Finnish citizens to oppose a proposed to legalize civil unions between members of the same gender (website: http://www.finnqueer.net/juttu.cgi?s=80_10_1).

4 Hogg RS, O'Shaughnessy MV, Gataric N et al. Decline in deaths from AIDS due to new antiretrovirals (letter). Lancet 1997;349:1294.[Medline]

5 Gray A, Hogg RS. Mortality of Aboriginal Australians in Western New South Wales 1984–1987. Sydney: New South Wales Department of Health, 1989, p.61.

[LowOiL]

BTTT ... good important article...