Posted on 12/20/2003 1:03:57 AM PST by Destro
You got it wrong. Milosevic cannot be a war criminal as he was not waging any war. He did not commit crimes, unless you count normal anti-guerilla operations within territory of one's own country as criminal.
If you look closer at the this trial, you will see that ALL witnesses are damaged. This court cannot prove anything - the simplest explanation is that the accusations are false and that Milosevic is being railroaded.
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem or Do not fit an elephant to the curve.
Are you saying that 4200 bodies were being examined? Sources please. BTW, how many people should die in a year out o population of 2 million?
Read more about Kosovo at http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Kosovo
What about you, Hoplite? Go on record-is the KLA a terrorist organization to you?
Filled with allegations against the US/NATO campaign in Kosovo, as well as the Clinton/Clark legacy.
As to Clark, I don't subscribe to the hyperpolarized view of politics prevalent on FR. He has been found wanting in his choice of party and statements regarding Iraq since announcing his candidacy, either of which are enough to disqualify him for consideration for my vote.
Milosevic's trial, and Clark's testimony therin, however, is a seperate issue from his candidacy. If you are ultimately unable to seperate the two, then that's an issue for you to work upon, not me.
I take it this is a euphemistic way of saying either don't question the blatant inaccuracies in my posts or I'll scurry off to the AM and have your post pulled.
Referring to you as ignorant, btw, was charitable on my part, because if you are not ignorant then you are a liar.
Your choice.
Yes, the KLA utilized terrorism, which qualifies them for inclusion in the 'terrorist organization' category unless it can be proven that the leadership had nothing to do with those acts - yeah, right.
But they are less of a terrorist organization than Milosevic et al, which puts them in the same boat as Rashid Dostum and various other Afghan warlords who became allies of convenience in efforts to address larger problems and who are now being pressured into conforming to civilized norms.
I looked it up. If the information is correct it means that there were 4200 dead (55% unidentified) from undetermined time which included the intensive guerilla and anit-guerilla warfare and earlier time, intensive NATO bombing, large movement of population during which normal funerals can be impossible (a significant number of people die in every large population for natural reasons while disease rate increases in time of chaos).
So what conclusion can you draw? 4200 (or less if you discount negative or missing identification) dead during such civil war combined with foreign intervention looks rather low to me.
Less than half was identified, and some of them could have died from natural causes, some could be killed by KLA (as colaborators, Serbs, Gypsies, in gang/vendetta killings), some died from NATO bombing etc. And I guess you count KLA fighers as civilians?
Not KLA fighters, not victims of NATO bombs, and not Serb civilians. The methodology excludes those groups from the victims considered in the report. The "Killings" section of the report deals with Kosovar Albanian victims of Serb forces, and it explicitly states this in the introduction and details in the body of the report.
This is beyond your amateur hour understanding and efforts to discredit.
The very date YOU pointed say that LESS that half was identified and it does not specify which of the dead were the civilian Albanians or how they died.
Not KLA fighters, not victims of NATO bombs, and not Serb civilians. The methodology excludes those groups from the victims considered in the report.
Really? How did they exclude them? BTW, why the Serbian government forces would want to kill the civlians when they were busy fight the guerillas while being bombed by NATO? Just because they are evil malicious Serbs who want to prove that they are monsters?
This is beyond your amateur hour understanding and efforts to discredit.
OK, tell me what would be the normal number of dead in a civil war with foreign involvement? A dozen? In American Civil War on the Confederate side 200 000 soldiers died (see America's Major Wars ). In Kosovo by proportion it would mean 50 000 without counting the civilian deaths.
And where this 500-100 thousand victims of "genocide" went?
A. Pole, because most wars are not declared, international customary law makes war contingent upon a state of armed conflict, not a declaration of war. As you yourself stated in your post, the Serbs were conducting "anti-guerilla operations".
Of course, conducting anti-guerilla operations is not illegal and Milosevic is not on trial for "anti-guerilla operations". As the 60+ counts against Milosevic detail, deliberately causing the deaths of thousands of non-combatants is the problem, not fighting guerillas.
I must admit I was trolling a little with the post you responded to. Its one thing to be against the ICTY or Clark. It is entirely another to be for Milosevic. I just wanted to see who would scuttle out of their cyber spider hole to win the "Have a Slivo for Slobo " award.
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