Kevin Graff - DemocRAT
Recognized by the American Lung Association for efforts to help curb teen smoking in Glastonbury
Posted on 01/02/2004 12:07:18 PM PST by SheLion
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:58:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
With the closing of Pinstripes Sports Cafe on Dec. 24, some other bar owners in the city are concerned that they will be next.
Pinstripes closed as a direct result of the state public places smoking ban, according to Frank Bokoff, who said he was a spokesman for F and J Management, the group that owned and operated the bar and grill.
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Kevin Graff - DemocRAT
Recognized by the American Lung Association for efforts to help curb teen smoking in Glastonbury
Depends on the type of bar and location. I partly owned a dance club in Reno, so I know a little about this. Here in Kalifornia sports bars are doing better because of the type of clientele. Dance and neighborhood bars are feeling the pinch. Bars make their money from liquor sales, if the patrons are constantly outside for their smoke, they're not buying liquor.
What most people don't know is that most bars and niteclubs have smoke filtration systems. Unless you're standing next to someone fired up, you get very little second-hand smoke, and usually can't even smell it.
But I'm glad you appreciate the nanny State. The food and car Nazis have their eye on you next...
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YES! He talks out of both sides of his mouth. He must come from a political family and learned at a young age how to "Slap the back, Lie through the teeth, Promise them anything for their vote, then STICK IT TO THE CONSTITUENTS when he gets into office."
Oh yea. I have seen it time and time again. Cute, aren't they! blah!
DAMNIT PEOPLE! READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST BEFORE RESPONDING!
Your comment is nothing but ignorant bull excrement based on the claims of all the nico-nazi's who say they will support the bars if the bans are implemented!
It ain't happened yet as evidenced by all the bars across this country who have fallen prey to you nazi's and are now being forced out of business. Furthermore, there are one hell of a lot of neighborhood bars affected by this naziism that you and all your cronies wouldn't even drive thru their neighborhoods let alone stop in for a drink!
You doogooders are nothing but hot air when it comes to your socialist promises............
Can I now expect to see you and your ilk coming into the bars I hang out in simply because you make them smoke free? I DON'T THINK SO! The only time you slimers may be seen in such bars in the future is to do your "brown shirt" inspection. Since anonymity will be guaranteed, all you slimers have to do is see one smoker and to the phones you go.............
No evidence required, only the accusation! Welcome to the Fourth Reich.........
Yup, and in the case of being early in the thread or before it gets too cumbersome - READ ALL OF THE POSTS BEFORE RESPONDING.
I even admit to rereading your post to make sure I understood exactly what you were saying on my first read - I had, I'm happy to say!!!!
The bingo at the private clubs, such as the Moose, Elks, VFWs and the volunter fire companies were all seriously hurt when the state allowed slot machines at the 3 horse race tracks in Delaware. They were all exempted from the smoking ban.
The bingo at the senior citizen centers and the churches were also hit hard, but were included in the smoking ban. And every single one that applied for a waiver was denied, including the bingo in my own parish. part of the reason being that bingo was open to the public - well guess what - so is the bingo at all of the places specifically exempted in the smoking ban to begin with.
I understand the point you are making - however, shouldn't it be up to the owner based upon the desires of his/her clientele, as opposed to government mandates?????
I have no problem with the business owner who chooses to go non-smoking, but these government imposed smoking bans are no more fair to those that had chosen that route than to the ones who didn't.
EXACTLY.
And there were plenty of places that were non-smoking before these bans went into effect.
When we still lived in Delaware we frequently went to Maryland after the ban went into effect, and we weren't the only ones. The bar we used to go to in MD had seen a doubling of their weekend business because of the ban in Delaware. The bar we used to go to in DE saw their bar business cut in half.
And for all those who still don't get it, next they'll come for your colas, or your children's juice boxes.
No kidding.
As long as you've been here and you expect people to read a post longer than 2 sentences? LOL!!
Next thing you'll expect people to read past the headline!
Your post is only half correct.
Your profile page does not list where you live, but it is obviously not in a state or even a town or county with a smoking ban.
The non-smoking bars are not full in Delaware, not at all. In fact the only ones that are doing any kind of decent business are those that have outdoor seating, and that was only during the warm weather months. And that was only when it wasn't raining, which it did most of the summer this past year because smoking is prohibitted in out door seating areas if there is a roof over it.
If the non-smokers who passed the ban are not going to the bars to make up for the lost customers, then they are not doing right. In fact, most non-smokers promised that business would increase, not decrease because they said that non-smokers would now be able to go to the bars.
If the smoking ban law is not working in Delaware, then why doesnt Delaware just repeal the law?
You're as full of shit as a christmas goose. Guess what, sometimes businesses fail.
Any bar/restaraunt worth visiting in my California town is standing room only at the bar and a wait up to an hour for a dining table on any given weekend night and not much different the rest of the week.
Record Liquor License Applications in California ...Posted on 10/16/2003
In some counties where there are more applications than new licenses allowed, a priority drawing will be held to see who gets the new licenses.
OH, BTW, smoke free California dining is a genuine pleasure.
So, you show up clueless as usual!!!!
Is there a subject on which you can actually offer a legitimate opinion reinforced by facts or experience???
Yup, Ive been to California recently, and they are crowded even with the no smoking laws. If Conn, Delaware, and Maine smokers dont want to repeal a law that does not work, that is their fault.
Repeal the law, or start some private clubs where smoking is allowed. Ive been to private clubs, I join at the door going in the first time.
For those who cant read, I already stated that I dont agree with laws against smoking - that it should be up to each customer and each business owner. Those who continue to disagree with me, dont believe in letting the owner of a business decide if smoking should be allowed or not.
That's because there are 1039 fewer bars not because of more customers.
Record Liquor License Applications in California ...Posted on 10/16/2003 In some counties where there are more applications than new licenses allowed, a priority drawing will be held to see who gets the new licenses.
Give me a break, If you read past your silly headline it was already debunked by several posters in that thread.
Despite that you keep posting it over and over expecting a different result. Only 3 types of people do that Liberals, Trolls or the insane.
OH, BTW, smoke free California dining is a genuine pleasure.
Not if you were the owners of those 1039 buisness.
Because the politicians that pushed it have bet their political lives on it working. Very few of them have been big enough to admit the mistake they made in voting for it in the first place.
Delaware is so small that a single sentence in the newspaper can severely hurt an elected person. When a bill came up to make changes to the ban last spring legislators who have ALWAYS refused (and still do) contributions from the tobacco companies were accused of being bought off by the industry. Just the accusation, although totally false has been enough to hurt many of them.
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