[sauropod]

"Has this caused problems in elections? Yes, for both parties, in recent state elections we have problems in (at least) Maryland, Virginia and (of all places) Broward County Florida..."

Hell, we always have voting problems in the People's Republic.

Like when Parris the First held a voter registration drive in Greenmount Cemetary.... Vote early and vote often.

[cmsgop]

First Post?

[sauropod]

Timesink is a frequent poster to this site. Lelio less so.

[Mark]

It sounds like you don't have one of our secret VRWC decoder rings, but I'm sure you will get a lot of opinions about this subject from here.

[backhoe]

-The Vote Fraud Archives--

[Vermonter]

This is an issue I've been concerned about ever since the motor voter act first came into being.

The federal government has, be decree, decided that everything the states had been doing for years was suddenly suspect and could only be corrected using a big government solution argued out in Washington and then settled with some sort of compromise.

The electronic voting machine is the latest fiasco to arise out of this and is subject to all sorts of abuse.

Let's keep the discussion about the topic at hand and give GregD the benefit of the doubt that he's here over a shared concern

[Wife of D28Man]

God bless you. Yes indeedy we need an audit trail. My husband has always said that we'll do without paper in the office when we do without it in the john - and for the same reason. As long as we continue to mess up, paper will never be obsolete.

[kingu]

Ooh, a Zot in the making.

[Gritty]

BTTT

[conservativecorner]

You were recently hacked. The bottom line is that you promote a product/software that is not yet ready for market. Quit whining about your problems, and roll up your sleeves and fix them. No free lunch is a Republican/Conservative theme.

[chiller]

bttt

[lepton]

I’m a Democrat, and you folks presumably will want to flame me on that point alone.

Only to amuse ourselves. There happen to be a fair number of Democrats, and "Other"s here.

If you're legit and sane, and make a decent argument you'll find people to discuss most issues.

[gitmo]

This was a very good post. I don't see how the states could purchase such mission-critical applications without some certicficate of security and QA. We should insist on audit capabilities and transaction tracing.

I also think we need better verification of voters. Having worked at voting precincts in the past, I know for a fact I could have stuffed my ballot boxes to the brim and no one would have known a thing.

FReepers: if we don't insist on these audits up front we're going to be trying to close the barn doors while we still have one or two head of livestock left. The few machines I've seen were simple to manipulate and were error-prone as well. Even without a hacker we could have botched elections on our hands.

We like to poke barbs at the democrats, but let's not run this guy off. His points are very timely and very prescient.

[jsbankston]

Nice Job. Voter Fraud is fraud no matter which party perpetrates the fraud. Perhaps each party should hire its own code writers to read the code for every voting machine and mandate that no machine can be used until both code writers sign off on each machine. This is very much the same standard done with a standard paper or punch card ballot. Do yo Recall Palm Beach in 2000 when the Dem signed of on an allegedly flawed ballot?

As long as both parties play by the rules we should be okay.

[lepton]

GOP Urges Investigation of Voting Machine Performance

Saturday January 10, 2004 6:29am

Fairfax (AP) - Fairfax County (website - news) Republicans are urging the county to investigate the what they call the poor performance of high-tech voting machines last November.

A report from the county G-O-P committee calls the touch-screen voting machines used in local elections "a failure," and says and county officials weren't prepared to deal with the problems.

The party is also recommending state regulations that would require localities with the new equipment to follow stringent procedures.

The machines were supposed to speed up the reporting process, but instead they produced one of the slowest vote counts in recent history. Republicans are also angry that election officials took ten machines that crashed to the county government center for repairs.

[kingu]

I have always taken the position that I want to see and verify the ballot that goes into the box before I believe my vote has been registered. The 'inkavote' system we've been inflicted with in California makes that harder -- the old punch card was infinitely easier to tell if you'd marked the right number since the number on the ballot form matched the numbers next to the holes. 'inkavote' covers the number, which I really don't like.

With these electronic machines, I don't have a ballot to check over. I have a computer screen that might or might not reflect what my intention was. It doesn't print out a ballot to put into the box; instead it cheerfully assures me that my vote will be counted.

I'm all for machines for making voting easier, but they should print a ballot which is what is counted for the results of the election. Go ahead and use the electronic record for 'instant trends' as soon as the polls close, but until verification of the paper ballots is made, the election should not be considered over.

How many people have had a dispute with the bank over an ATM, especially in the first decade of their use? Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands? I'm not interested in our political process being a guinea pig to iron out the bugs.

[Darksheare]

Well, short form: As long as there is political power, and the powerhungry, no matter what voting system we use short of a George Orwellian universe- there will always be the element of shenanigans in voting.
Sad, sick, and horrible.
The only real defense is if honest people on both sides shout down and question anything out of the ordinary and irregular, I.e. violating voting law and such.

Unfortunately, I live in NY state, and some of the people I speak to that ID themselves as 'Democrats' state that they "MUST win through ANY means necessary."
I reminded them of Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed.
The deplorable philosophy of the end justifying the means and such.

*Sighs*
Just keep your eyes open and keep your conscience clear.
So far, I haven't seen any reason to be 'upset' with you.
You've presented this pretty well. (I will be honest, there have been some that posted here specifically to be jerks. But, such is life.)
Thanks for posting.
Will see you around.

[Revel]

http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_25_03/Concerns_Over/concerns_over.html

[Cacique]

BTT

[lepton]

Rep. Rush Holt Introduces Legislation to Require All Voting Machines To Produce A Voter-Verified Paper Trail

H.R.2239 Summary and Status

S.1980 Summary and Status

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Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2003 (Introduced in House)

HR 2239 IH

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2239

To amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified permanent record or hardcopy under title III of such Act, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

May 22, 2003

Mr. HOLT introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on House Administration

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A BILL

To amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified permanent record or hardcopy under title III of such Act, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2003'.

SEC. 2. EXTENSION OF TIME PROVIDED FOR STATES TO REQUEST PAYMENTS UNDER TITLE I.

(a) PAYMENTS FOR ACTIVITIES TO IMPROVE ADMINISTRATION OF ELECTIONS- Section 101(a) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (42 U.S.C. 15301(a)) is amended by striking `not later than 6 months after the date of the enactment of this Act' and inserting `not later than the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November 2003'.

(b) PAYMENTS FOR REPLACEMENT OF PUNCH CARD OR LEVER VOTING MACHINES- Section 102(b)(1) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 15301(b)(1)) is amended by striking `not later than the date that is 6 months after the date of the enactment of this Act' and inserting `not later than the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November 2003'.

(c) EXTENSION OF PERIOD OF AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS-

(1) IN GENERAL- Section 104(a) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 15304(a)) is amended by striking `$650,000,000' and inserting `an aggregate amount of $650,000,000 for fiscal years 2003 and 2004'.

(2) DATE FOR TRANSFER TO ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION OF UNOBLIGATED FUNDS- Section 104(c)(2)(B) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 15304(c)(2)(B)) is amended by striking `September 1, 2003' and inserting `January 1, 2004'.

(d) REQUIREMENT TO DEPLOY INTERIM MEASURE IF WAIVER REQUESTED- Section 102(a)(3)(B) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 15301(a)(3)(B)) is amended by striking the period at the end and inserting the following: `, except that any State requesting any such waiver shall accept and implement a paper system for use on an interim basis as provided in section 5(b) of the Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2003 in time for use in the November 2004 general election.'.

SEC. 3. REPEAL OF EXEMPTION OF ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION FROM CERTAIN GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING REQUIREMENTS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Section 205 of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (42 U.S.C. 15325) is amended by striking subsection (e).

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall apply with respect to contracts entered into by the Election Assistance Commission on or after the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 4. PROMOTING ACCURACY, INTEGRITY, AND SECURITY THROUGH VOTER-VERIFIED PERMANENT RECORD OR HARD COPY.

(a) IN GENERAL- Section 301(a)(2) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (42 U.S.C. 15481(a)(2)) is amended to read as follows:

`(2) VOTER-VERIFICATION AND AUDIT CAPACITY-

`(A) VOTER-VERIFICATION IN GENERAL- The voting system shall produce a voter-verified paper record suitable for a manual audit equivalent or superior to that of a paper ballot box system, as further specified in subparagraph (B).

`(B) MANUAL AUDIT CAPACITY-

`(i) The voting system shall produce a permanent paper record, each individual paper record of which shall be made available for inspection and verification by the voter at the time the vote is cast, and preserved within the polling place in the manner in which all other paper ballots are preserved within the polling place on Election Day for later use in any manual audit.

`(ii) The voting system shall provide the voter with an opportunity to correct any error made by the system before the permanent record is preserved for use in any manual audit.

`(iii) The voter verified paper record produced under subparagraph (A) and this subparagraph shall be available as an official record and shall be the official record used for any recount conducted with respect to any election in which the system is used.

`(C) SOFTWARE AND MODEMS-

`(i) No voting system shall at any time contain or use undisclosed software. Any voting system containing or using software shall disclose the source code of that software to the Commission, and the Commission shall make that source code available for inspection upon request to any citizen.

`(ii) No voting system shall contain any wireless communication device at all.

`(iii) All software and hardware used in any electronic voting system shall be certified by laboratories accredited by the

Commission as meeting the requirements of clauses (i) and (ii).'.

(b) VOTER VERIFICATION OF RESULTS FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES- Section 301(a)(3) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 15481(a)(3) is amended--

(1) in the heading, by inserting `AND VOTER-VERIFICATION OF RESULTS' after `ACCESSIBILITY';

(2) in subparagraph (B), by striking `; and' and inserting the following: `, and such voting system shall provide a mechanism for voter-verification of results which separates the function of vote generation from the function of vote casting in a manner analogous to that described in section 4 with respect to the separation of paper ballot generation and paper ballot verification and preservation, but does not require the use of paper.';

(3) by amending subparagraph (C) to read as follows:

`(C) The equipment deployed in accordance with subparagraph (B) shall meet the voting system standards for disability access and voter-verification of results as outlined in this paragraph in accordance with the deadline set forth in section 5(a), provided that if it does not and an interim paper system is deployed in accordance with section 5(b), disabled voters shall have the option of using the interim paper system with the assistance of an aide of the voter's personal selection or using the voting system otherwise put in place for use by disabled voters at the time in question in accordance with the Help America Vote Act of 2002, as in effect prior to the enactment of this Act, except that the deadline set forth in section 301(a)(3)(C) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 15481(a)(3)(C)) is moved forward from January 1, 2007, to January 1, 2006.'; and

(4) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

`(D) Election officials shall be instructed in the rights of the disabled to vote with the assistance of an aide of their selection under the Voting Rights Act of 1965.'.

(c) SPECIFIC, DELINEATED REQUIREMENT OF STUDY, TESTING, AND DEVELOPMENT OF BEST PRACTICES- In addition to any other requirements under the Help America Vote Act of 2002, the Election Assistance Commission shall study, test, and develop best practices to enhance accessibility and voter-verification mechanisms for disabled voters.

SEC. 5. CHANGE IN DEADLINE FOR COMPLIANCE WITH STANDARDS.

(a) IN GENERAL- Section 301(d) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (42 U.S.C. 15481(d)) is amended by striking `on and after January 1, 2006' and inserting `in time for elections for Federal office beginning with the regularly scheduled general election to be held in November 2004'.

(b) INTERIM PAPER SYSTEM- Each State and jurisdiction that certifies in the manner described in section 102(a)(3)(B) that it shall be unable to comply with the requirements of section 301 in time for the regularly scheduled general election for Federal office to be held in November 2004 shall receive a paper voting system, based on paper systems in use in the jurisdiction, if any, at the expense of the Commission that shall be deemed compliant with section 301 by the Commission for use in the November 2004 general elections.

SEC. 6. REQUIREMENT FOR FEDERAL CERTIFICATION OF TECHNOLOGICAL SECURITY OF VOTER REGISTRATION LISTS.

Section 303(a)(3) of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (42 U.S.C. 15483(a)(3)) is amended by striking the period at the end and inserting the following: `, as certified by the Commission.'.

SEC. 7. REQUIREMENT FOR MANDATORY RECOUNTS.

The Election Assistance Commission shall conduct manual mandatory surprise recounts of the voter-verified records of each election for Federal office (and, at the option of the State or jurisdiction involved, of elections for State and local office) in .5 percent of the jurisdictions in each State and .5 percent of the overseas jurisdictions in which voter-verified records are preserved in accordance with this section immediately following each general election for Federal office, and shall promptly publish the results of those recounts. The treatment of the results of the recount shall be governed by applicable Federal, State, or local law, except that any individual who is a citizen of the jurisdiction involved may file an appeal with the Commission if the individual believes that such law does not provide a fair remedy.

SEC. 8. EFFECTIVE DATE.

Except as provided in section 3(b), the amendments made by this Act shall take effect as if included in the enactment of the Help America Vote Act of 2002.