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To: DoctorZIn
FoxNews was saying today what a surprise it is to the countries of the world that China was actually behind most of the nuclear proliferation in the world today. The only people who should be surprised by this are Klinton, Karter, and Albright. Never mind, I'm sure they knew just what they were doing.

Everybody in this article is talking about how Pakistan is in the middle of all this. Who gave Pakistan their nuclear technology? China. All roads lead to China in this whole sordid affair. China probably figured that Pakistan would be more than happy to nuke the USA by using merchant ships as the delivery platform. I'm betting Sept. 11th was supposed to be the opening tap on the shoulder. Lousy China, we should level those bastards.

19 posted on 02/08/2004 1:10:11 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (If universities didn't teach worthless subjects, who would?)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; Mo1
1996 : (SENATOR JOHN KERRY MEETS LIU CHAOYING, VP OF A SUBSIDIARY OF CHINA'S GOVERNMENT OWNED CHINA AEROSPACE CORP & DAUGHTER OF A CHINESE MILITARY OFFICIAL, TRADES FAVORS FOR CASH, PLUS CHINA GETS MISSILE TECHNOLOGY) In 1996 Kerry met with Liu Chaoying, the daughter of a powerful Chinese military official who also doubled as vice president of a subsidiary of the state-owned China Aerospace Corp. Before the meeting, held in Kerry's Senate office, Liu's sponsor, Johnny Chung, made clear she was interested in getting her company listed on the U.S. Stock Exchange. The Democratic presidential front-runner was only too happy to oblige and ordered his aides to contact the Securities and Exchange Commission. "The next day," reports Newsweek, "Liu and Chung were ushered into a private briefing with a senior SEC official." Within weeks, Chung returned the favor, staging a Kerry fund raiser at a Beverly Hills hotel that raked in $10,000 for the senator's re-election campaign.
Bank records would later show that Kerry's Chinese campaign cash came from $300,000 in overseas wire transfers sent to Chung on orders from the chief of Chinese military intelligence, Newsweek reports. The money was routed through a Hong Kong bank account controlled by Liu, whose company later benefited from waivers granted by the Clinton administration to the U.S. aerospace giant Loral Corp. As Liu and Chung were lining the pockets of the Democratic Party's political elite, Loral handed over top-secret missile guidance technology to Liu's firm. Liu's China Aerospace used the information to perfect Beijing's fleet of intercontinental ballistic missiles, which before the 1990s could not strike the U.S. By the end of the decade, however, China's ICBMs could reach the entire continental United States with pinpoint accuracy, thanks in part to the senator who says now he can be trusted with America's national security.
Chung later testified that before Liu wired him the cash to contribute to prominent Democrats, the chief of Chinese intelligence personally told him: "We like your president. We want to see him re-elected." Apparently, Beijing felt the same way about Sen. John Kerry.- "Kerry Took Cash From Chinese Military Intelligence," by Carl Limbacher, NewsMax, Monday, Feb. 2, 2004
20 posted on 02/08/2004 1:19:33 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; Mo1; Alamo-Girl
A subsidiary of China Aerospace company, by the way, is:

China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation {CPMIEC)

The China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation {CPMIEC), a member of the New Era (Xinshidai), was established in 1980 to market the M-family of export missiles. It is also responsible for exports of liquid and solid rocket motors, precision machinery, optical equipment, radars and varietious surface-to-surface, shipborne, anti-ship, and tactical missiles. The company was sanctioned by the United States in August 1993 for missile proliferation, following its shipment of M-11 missiles to Pakistan in 1992- fas

21 posted on 02/08/2004 1:23:12 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; Squantos; Travis McGee
And speaking of Kerry's little Chinese donation mentioned above, here's a snippet from a NY times article:

The fund-raiser, Johnny Chung, told investigators that a large part of the nearly $100,000 he gave to Democratic causes in the summer of 1996 -- including $80,000 to the Democratic National Committee -- came from China's People's Liberation Army through a Chinese lieutenant colonel and aerospace executive whose father was General Liu Huaqing, the officials and lawyers said. General Liu was then not only China's top military commander but also a member of the top leadership of the Communist Party. Chung said the aerospace executive, Liu Chao-ying, told him the source of the money. At one fund-raiser to which Chung gained admission for her, she was photographed with President Clinton.
... While the amount described is a tiny part of the $194 million that Democrats raised in 1996, investigators regard the identification of Liu as a breakthrough in their long search for confirmation of a "China Plan." The hunt was prompted by secret telephone intercepts suggesting that Beijing considered covertly influencing the American elections.
... Chung met Liu in June 1996 in Hong Kong. She was not only a lieutenant colonel in the military, but a senior manager and vice president in charge of international trading for China Aerospace International Holdings Ltd., according to the company's 1996 annual report. The company is the Hong Kong arm of China Aerospace Corporation, a state-owned jewel in China's military industrial complex with interests in satellite technology, missile sales and rocket launches. Liu's father, General Liu, was China's senior military officer, and as vice chairman of the powerful Central Military Commission was in charge of China's drive to modernize the People's Liberation Army by selling weapons to other countries and using the hard currency to acquire Western technology. In that role, he oversaw his country's missile deals. In addition to his military role, General Liu was a member of the Standing Committee of the Politburo of the Communist Party, the very top circle of political leadership in China. He retired from his official positions last fall at the time of the Party's 15th Congress.
... In 1991 and 1993 the United States barred all American companies from doing business with two China Aerospace units who had made illegal missile sales to Pakistan. In each instance, Liu was assistant to the president of the sanctioned company.
...Those concerns were front and center in 1996, when General Liu was still in charge of the P.L.A. They included China's sale of missiles to Iran and of nuclear equipment to Pakistan, as well as its own bellicose military maneuvers near Taiwan. - New York Times, May 15, 1998

27 posted on 02/08/2004 1:36:18 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; swarthyguy
Everybody in this article is talking about how Pakistan is in the middle of all this. Who gave Pakistan their nuclear technology? China. All roads lead to China in this whole sordid affair. China probably figured that Pakistan would be more than happy to nuke the USA by using merchant ships as the delivery platform. I'm betting Sept. 11th was supposed to be the opening tap on the shoulder. Lousy China, we should level those bastards.

Quite correct. The Chinese are playing an old game (Sun-Tzu's disciples). They're bleeding their enemies indirectly -- by arming Pakistan they've made a two bit state a perpetual drain on india -- the future rival they fear. And they've also got a weapon to wield against the West -- by making us focus on these 7th century barbarians they hope to make their economy number 1 and then move in for the kill, oh, about 2050.
58 posted on 02/09/2004 12:51:44 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I'm betting Sept. 11th was supposed to be the opening tap on the shoulder. Lousy China, we should level those bastards.

I believe you're more spot-on than you may realize. I remember mainstream news reports shortly after the attack, that revealed that on 9/10, an Arab kid, in an argument with his teacher, said something along the lines of, "World War Three starts tomorrow, and the United States loses."

Apparently the "word on the Arab Street" in this country was consistent with your "opening tap on the shoulder" theory.

85 posted on 02/10/2004 1:52:19 PM PST by Don Joe (I own my vote. It's for rent to the highest bidder, paid in adherence to the Constitution.)
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