Assault Weapons Ban Picks Up GOP Support

Yahoo! News ^ | Tue, Feb 24, 2004 | AP

[Mulder]

With those RINOS plus all the 'rats, the AWB is going to be extended.

The way I see this playing out is a strong AWB bill getting attached to a weakened lawsuit immunity bill.

The worthless RINOs will attempt to pass it off as a "good compromise", while the democrats will support the bill 1) knowing it will hurt Bush's re-election chances if he signs it, and 2) knowing that the weakened lawsuit immunity bill is full of loopholes.

The final bill will pass the Senate. The real fight will be in the House. I wouldn't be surprised to see another "magic one vote" victory for the bastards.

It looks like the best realistic scenario will be neither the AWB nor the lawsuit immunity bill becoming law this year.

I could be totally wrong, but we'll see.

[El Gato]

This doesn't have a chance in the House

Depends on what it's attached to as an amendment. Funding authorization for DoD, or Homeland Security? The next dose of "Patriot Act" legislation. If it comes over from the Senate just before the Labor (or even Memorial) Day recess, they are likely to vote for it just so they can get back to their districts to campaign, provided it's attached to something else to give them "cover".

[Mulder]

Neal Knox's latest alert is about a White House "Statement of Administrative Policy" calling for the liability protection bill to be passed un-amended

Knox is quite optimistic that we aren't going to get screwed this time.

Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I've seen it happen way too many times to rest easy.

[Monty22]

This rider BS needs to be eliminated quick. It simply should not even be plausible to attach completely new rules to another bill. I *HATE* this procces, I *HATE* the stress of watching this rollercoaster too.

[PRO 1]

This is the typical type of legislation Rinos and NRA dupes would get behind and brag about. Senator Warners ignorant statement... "Although I voted against the ban a decade ago, over the past 10 years it has reduced crime dramatically and has made our streets safer," Warner said. "The legislation also has protected the rights of gun owners better than many of us predicted."

...is profoundly illustrative of the destructive vote buying Moderates that infest the rank and file of Republican leadership. SAFER??? REDUCED CRIME??? Upon what information does this fool make these conclusions? ALL honestly done surveys and statistics state the exact opposite.(See John Lott) The influence of 30+ States with CC is gratuitisly brushed aside. No "protection of gun owner's rights" has ever been researched based on the "Assault weapons ban".

And realizing that all law suits against gun manufacturers have been effectively lost, the use of the protection legislation is a red herring, a moldy bait only for the ignorant constituant.

Such "legislation by trade of right" is just the kind of eye candy that appeals to the NRAILA.

[Mulder]

Gunowners have long memories and they do not forgive easily. Gunowners also make up a sizeable portion of BOTH parties. So a lot of Dems voted their guns last time and might do so again....or maybe not depending on the messages that are sent to them by the Republicans.

I read several other gun forums, and here's how it's looking for Bush.

About 25% are going to vote against him (not for Kerry, but third party).

25% are going to vote for him.

And 50% are going to base their vote on what happens with the AWB.

Keep in mind that in 2000, nearly 100% of these guys voted for Bush. Many supported him financially and volunteered for his campaign.

The fact that he's already lost 25% of them doesn't bode well for his re-election effort.

If he loses another 50%, he will lose big time in November.

[Mulder]

If I'm to become a felon, I'll go as a lion and not a lamb.

I think you speak for millions of Patriots.

If you're going to pay the price, might as well commit the act....

[El Gato]

I could easily see putting in the AWB renewal amendment so as to get sufficient Dem support to block any filibuster, and then stripping it out again in the inevitable conference committee. So I'm not going to scream and shout, yet.

Sounds about as smart as signing CFR, and hoping the Supreme Court will take out the Unconstitutional parts (most of it actually, but very little of it according the 9 in black).

[Dan from Michigan]

I told the RNC guys in Michigan the same thing.

My GUESS is that this will die in conference committee if the amendments are attached, BUT I am not taking it for granted.

[ChefKeith]

The administration urges the Senate to pass a clean bill

The only "clean bill" will be one that DOES NOT Infringe on the 2A!

Damn it!!! I hate the election years and We have just started this one...

[El Gato]

This rider BS needs to be eliminated quick. It simply should not even be plausible to attach completely new rules to another bill. I *HATE* this procces, I *HATE* the stress of watching this rollercoaster too.

And even worse is when they then pass the amended turkey "without objection" at Oh-Dark_Thirty just before a long recess.

[sarasmom]

If it is, President Bush can kiss his second term goodbye.
If the House sends it forward, he will sign it.
Not a brilliant move for a Republican controlled House of Representatives to do to a Republican President, but it is the "stupid" party, so it is within the realm of the possible.
Before I get too upset, I will wait and see untill September comes and the AWB automatically sunsets.If not, no amount of CFR induced 1st ammendment nullification and the rest of the truly inane "compassionate conservative" PC rhetoric will really matter much at all.

[ezo4]

God Bless the true America.... Lock and Load.

Oh wait did I just mention God and a reference to guns in the same post. Thats bad right? :|

[Dan from Michigan]

BTW - It's DECISION TIME!!!

What the pols do here, determine my vote.

[ottersnot]

and this is why I did not vote for Warner.
The snake helped let Slick Willy off the hook
in 98 and hasn't changed his scales.
He probably isn't running again and figures he can
show his true colors now.

[raloxk]

Between all the spending, the failure to stand up to DEMS on the judicary committee and this, I am starting to smell a GOP defeat of 1994 proportions

[Imal]

Because of the AWB, I own far more "assault weapons", hi-cap pistols (I fancy Glocks) and hi-cap magazines than I otherwise would.

If the AWB is made permanent, I stand to make a profit off of them. If not, I may lose some money.

Here's hoping I have made a poor investment in this case.

[raloxk]

"Keep in mind that in 2000, nearly 100% of these guys voted for Bush. Many supported him financially and volunteered for his campaign."

100% of gun owners voted for Bush in 2000????

Get real

[JackOfVA]

Warner will be fatally damaged by pushing through the tax increase in VA, after running on a "no new taxes" platform.

Right, but he is getting more than enough help from the Republicans in the State Senate, who almost doubled the amount Warner wanted.

Jack

[Mr. Mojo]

GOP Sens. John Warner of Virginia, Mike DeWine of Ohio and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island.

No suprise here. Warner and DeWine are given "F" grades and Chafee an "F-" by GOA.