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Let the states decide what 'marriage' is
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, March 5, 2004 | William Rusher

Posted on 03/04/2004 11:38:02 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Let the states decide what 'marriage' is


Posted: March 4, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 Newspaper Enterprise Assn.

It would help if the two sides in the debate over "gay marriage" could begin by conceding that each has a point. The gay supporters of the concept are not, in most cases, out to scupper the institution of marriage; on the contrary, all they ask is to be allowed to participate in it. And its opponents are not necessarily homophobes; many people, among them not a few homosexuals, believe that marriage, defined as the union of one man and one woman, is one of the indispensable building blocks of a stable social order, and that expanding the definition would seriously undermine the institution.

American society as a whole seems to be moving toward a broad-minded compromise, based on the proposition that two people of the same sex ought to be entitled to proclaim their unity in some official way (perhaps by recognizing "civil unions") that will afford them many of the rights now accorded only to married couples – for example, in tax law. The real question is how to get there from here without changing more than is absolutely necessary.

The problem lies in the "Full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution. Article IV, Section 1 declares that "Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records and judicial proceedings of every other state ..." Since the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts recently ruled that two men or two women may get "married" under the constitution of that state, any couple that does so would seem entitled to demand that their "marriage" be recognized in the other 49.

Congress, anticipating this problem several years ago, passed a Defense Of Marriage Act, declaring that no state would be required to recognize such a "marriage" contracted under the laws of another state. And there is a thin hope that this law may have the desired effect, since the federal Constitution's "Full faith and credit" clause goes on to declare that "Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof." But any student of today's Supreme Court will concede that it is far more likely that a five-member majority, consisting of the four liberals and Sandra Day O'Wobbly, will simply declare the Defense Of Marriage Act unconstitutional.

That likelihood is what drives the opponents of "gay marriage" to call for a constitutional amendment. Whether it takes the form President Bush has suggested ("defining and protecting marriage as a union of a man and woman as husband and wife ... while leaving the state legislatures free to make their own choices in defining legal arrangements other than marriage"), or simply exempts new forms of "marriage" from the "Full faith and credit" clause, it would conclusively bar the courts from ordering that such marriages, contracted in Massachusetts or some other state, must be recognized elsewhere.

That would leave the whole issue of gay marriages where it manifestly belongs: in the hands of the individual states. The genius of our federal system is precisely that it permits different states to come to different conclusions on hotly disputed issues that don't require uniform national treatment. (Abortion would be another such issue, as it was for many years, if the Supreme Court had not rashly decided, in Roe v. Wade, to nationalize it.)

Let no one say that the question is too trivial to be addressed at the constitutional level. If such a profound issue as the very structure of society doesn't deserve such attention, then nothing does. Nor would a constitutional amendment "take away" any existing rights; on the contrary, the Bush proposal would actually encourage legal recognition of previously unrecognized forms of relationships.

Above all, the above-described compromise would avoid weakening the institution of marriage. Gay marriage is not the only, or even the worst, threat to it. Marriage has been under attack ever since the sexual revolution of the 1960s. No-fault divorce and out-of-wedlock births have soared, with devastating effects. If Massachusetts thinks gay marriage will help rather than hurt, so be it. But if other states disagree, they should have that right.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilunion; homosexualagenda; marriage; samesexmarriage; statesrights; williamrusher
Friday, March 5, 2004

Quote of the Day by caisson71

1 posted on 03/04/2004 11:38:03 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
"Let the states decide what 'marriage' is"

They did! The courts then overturned their decisions calling them bigots. The constitutional amendment is the only alternative to gay marriage... John Kerry can not be allowed to make up false options in order to appear "moderate".

2 posted on 03/04/2004 11:40:50 PM PST by Betaille ("I think I believe in God, but I don't believe the way President Bush does" -John Kerry)
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To: Betaille
The constitutional amendment is the only alternative to gay marriage...

Couldn't agree more.

3 posted on 03/04/2004 11:45:24 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Let the states decide what 'marriage' is

Only the legislatures, not the courts.

4 posted on 03/04/2004 11:48:45 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: JohnHuang2
"It would help if the two sides in the debate over "gay marriage" could begin by conceding that each has a point."

LOL! If you believe the homosexual activities have a point you've missed the real point.

States rights is one issue, but when it involves a license that can cross state lines it's a whole different ball game.

Now it would be perfectly fine if a homosexual couple wanted to pretend they are married in California (for instance), but what happens when they come to another state and demand their licensed "marriage" be recognized as legal?

What will happen is it will end up in the hands of a liberal Supreme Court and take away the rights of the desenting states.

That's why a Consitutional Ammendment is necessary.

5 posted on 03/05/2004 12:03:02 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: JohnHuang2
The fed defined marriage back when Utah became a state. They had to make it one man and one woman to allow statehood.

Today this is a FEDERAL issue and we need the FMA.

the NY AG has already said he will allow Mass homosexual marriages based on EQUAL PROTECTION.

Its a done deal as a federal issue.
6 posted on 03/05/2004 12:06:36 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: JohnHuang2
If sodomy laws are not a "state right" but "age of consent" is, then the Constitution should be ammended to clarrify some points. Sexual fetishes should not be equated with "race", "creed", or "color".

I don't understand how "abortion" (determination of when life begins) could possibly be a detail determined by the states when "right to life" is a constitutionally protected right.

Activist judges lie to suit their agenda. Impeach the tyranical judges now. Save the nation.

7 posted on 03/05/2004 1:06:33 AM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: longtermmemmory
The Root problem must be solved along the way: we have to reign in the activist courts. Either we develop real leadership in this society, or we end up slaves. Real leadership will tell the courts to go to hell when they overstep their authority. And not Back down because of political pressure from a loud-mouthed minority. That takes a lot of backbone and character, something unfortunately in rare supply.
8 posted on 03/05/2004 1:07:11 AM PST by Clock King
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To: Clock King
I agree, but emphasis on "along the way". Right now we need the FMA to address this tiger at this gate.

We can and should address the issue of judges.

We should not waiver on using the FMA and homosexual marriage as a litmus test for ALL candidates. This issue more than any other shows a candidate's support of activits judges. Local democrats should be exposed using this issue. Exposed and PUBLICLY identified for their position favoring the destabalization of an institution already fragile from leftist experimentation.

The way to get them to "grow" some backbone is to vote with our dollars and our volunteerism. (and a letter of support helps.)

Additionally when ANYONE surveys you, state clearly this issue is a dealbreaker. Winning this battle, will lead to the next step of dealing with these judges.
9 posted on 03/05/2004 1:40:46 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: JohnHuang2
The problem is that "state's rights" were lost when the 17th Amendment was passed. Since that time, NO ONE represents the states at the federal level.

While I think it well within the authority of each state legislature to determine the definition of marriage, the fly in the ointment crops up when a legally married gay couple from California decide to move to Texas (for example). The legal question arising out of this issue is this: Does California have the right to force its accepted mores and behaviors on other states in the Union?

That issue makes it an SC issue and, with this court, I wouldn't bet on the outcome.

If we wnat state's rights to have any meaning again, we need to repeal the 17th Amendment.
10 posted on 03/05/2004 1:55:36 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: JohnHuang2
A constitutional amendment won't stop this. Lawless judges will simply deny the wording and rule against it. We need to start putting judges in jail for fomenting anarchy. You put judges behind bars and their overall reading and interpreting skills will vastly improve.
11 posted on 03/05/2004 3:22:26 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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