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India Takes Economic Spotlight, and Critics Are Unkind
The New York Times ^ | March 7, 2004 | AMY WALDMAN

Posted on 03/06/2004 10:04:03 PM PST by AM2000

BOMBAY, March 2 — India has finally arrived on the global economic scene. Unfortunately, like a debutante suddenly told she is wearing the wrong dress, it is not exactly the triumph India imagined.

In recent weeks, the outsourcing of white-collar service jobs to places like this financial capital on the Arabian Sea has become the focus of the American presidential campaign, the brunt of jokes on late-night shows, the subject of angry Web sites, and the target of legislation in more than 20 states and Washington.

Long caricatured in many American minds as home only to snake charmers and poor people, India is now being caricatured as a nation of predatory brains set on stealing American jobs.

The strong reaction to the shifting of jobs is spawning frustration in India, a country the United States was cheering not so long ago as it began to open a largely socialist, closed economy and enter the global arena. It is also surfacing as a potential irritant in relations between the countries. Indians say they are doing exactly what the United States wanted, and bridle at the new criticism as a double standard.

"The U.S. is propagating capitalism — we don't really understand why they are so scared," said Ravi Shankar, 36, an employee of Tata Consultancy Services, India's largest technology services company. "If you're going to talk about competition, you should have no fear — may the best man win."

But now India's pride has become America's pain. Over the last decade, riding technology advances, India's engineers and English-speaking college graduates have been taking on more work — from credit-card complaints to software programming to research for American companies half a world away.

The uproar over outsourcing shows no signs of abating, because outsourcing itself is only likely to grow. India's success has both contributed to and coincided with stagnating employment in the United States. Both countries face elections this year. As a result, an issue that would largely be confined to corporate America has become politicized and emotional. "India has joined the ranks of other big job thieves — Japan, China and Mexico," the Indian magazine Outlook wrote this week, citing a "barely concealed racism" in Internet debates. Senator John Kerry, the likely Democratic nominee for president, has called chief executives who shift work abroad "Benedict Arnolds."

"Whenever such issues are taken up in competitive politics, the economy suffers," said Arun Shourie, India's minister for disinvestment, communications and information technology. He has spent the last two years fighting to privatize India's bloated state-owned enterprises, facing fierce political opposition along the way.

Indeed, the furor in the United States is highlighting India's own ambivalence toward the economic reforms that began here in the early 1990's. The competitiveness of India's new industries stands in sharp contrast to the high tariffs and red tape that still shelter many other parts of the economy.

American officials have repeatedly expressed frustration at the relatively low level of American imports to India. While total exports from American companies to India grew to $4.1 billion in 2002 from $2.5 billion in 1990, the United States still has a trade deficit of about $9 billion with India. On a visit to New Delhi in February, United States Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick cited India's high tariffs — like a 38 percent applied agriculture tariff, which is three times as much as America's. "We want to keep our markets open," he said, "but to do so we need to be able to open markets abroad."

His comments were interpreted here as evidence that the Bush administration would seek to use the reaction toward India as a lever to pry open wider India's economy.

Mr. Shourie said that when India finally opened its agriculture markets, it would affect "millions of people" — far more than are being affected by India's success in information technology. "If the United States feels we must understand their political compulsions," he asked, "why is it that American politicians or trade negotiators sitting at the table would not understand our political difficulties?"

He worries, he said, that the reaction in the United States will strengthen the opponents of India's own economic reforms. "It gives a very strong handle to persons in India who oppose opening up," he said.

Indians say that the beneficiaries of outsourcing are far fewer than Americans realize. Well under a million people work in information technology services. Most of India's population of more than a billion, still largely rural, has never heard of outsourcing or benefited from it. Unemployment in India — far higher than in the United States — is at its highest level in decades, many economists say. Officially pegged at 7 percent, with more than 40 million registered job seekers last year, the real unemployment rate is probably three times that, economists say.

Vivek Paul, vice chairman of the Bangalore-based Wipro Technologies, calls it "perceptual amplification."

"If three million jobs have been lost in the U.S., and 100,000 jobs created in India, every one of those three million thinks, `That's my job,' " he said.

The danger is that anger in the United States will affect relations with India that otherwise have only deepened in recent decades. There are nearly two million Indian-Americans in the United States today — with the highest income of any ethnic group — and India is the second largest country for legal migration to the United States, after Mexico.

The United States now has more foreign students from India — more than 70,000 — than from any other country, and the information technology industry itself seems to represent a sort of synergy, with many Indians working in Silicon Valley, and innovation flowing both ways.

That spirit is showing strains. While Indian officials have decided that their best strategy is to let American corporations fight the political battle in the United States, they cannot resist the occasional rhetorical flare-up. "Those who lecture about free trade," Mr. Shourie said, "should practice it."

But not everyone here cheers India's new identity as what Babu P. Ramesh, writing in the Economic and Political Weekly, called "one of the prominent electronic housekeepers to the world." Indians say they face the same forces churning the American job market. As the use of information technology increases here, so, too, will the labor displacement that America has experienced. And over time, many of the jobs that have come to India could move on. As new competition emerges from other countries, Mr. Paul of Wipro said, "we'll have to swallow the same medicine of globalization."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; economy; india; outsourcing; southasia; southasialist; trade
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1 posted on 03/06/2004 10:04:03 PM PST by AM2000
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To: swarthyguy; Cronos; Dog Gone; atc; keri; *southasia_list
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2 posted on 03/06/2004 10:04:31 PM PST by AM2000
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To: AM2000
Why does it take white collars to get attention. We blue collars never get this much press.
3 posted on 03/06/2004 10:11:04 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: AM2000
bookmarked
4 posted on 03/06/2004 10:11:49 PM PST by vp_cal
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To: Brimack34
You sure about that? I'm only 28 and started paying attention to this stuff no more than 8-10 years ago, but I seem to recall hearing quite a lot about manufacturing jobs being sent over to the maquiladoras in Mexico and the giant sucking sound and all that... I think you jsut don't hear about blue collar jobs anymore (as much) cuz that's "old news" - this white collar thing is the new game in town :-)
5 posted on 03/06/2004 10:14:11 PM PST by AM2000
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To: AM2000
If you're going to talk about competition, you should have no fear — may the best man win."

They didn't get these jobs through competition, they got them because they prostituted their skills for low wages to greedy American corporations. Losing jobs to people who are more qualified is one thing, but when a company shuts their doors in America and moves off to India, competition is NOT in the equation.

6 posted on 03/06/2004 10:21:52 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: AM2000
I think you just don't hear about blue collar jobs anymore (as much) cuz that's "old news"

Maybe it's because they're all gone.

7 posted on 03/06/2004 10:25:03 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: NRA2BFree
They didn't get these jobs through competition, they got them because they prostituted their skills for low wages to greedy American corporations.

That's an unfair statement. The wages these Indian employees get are actually quite high for the Indian labor market. That's why you have Indian MBA's clamoring for telemarketer positions with U.S. based multinationals! As for greedy American corporations - I can't say you don't have a point, but I will say this... if some of them do it, they all have to do it, just to stay competitive.

8 posted on 03/06/2004 10:25:13 PM PST by AM2000
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To: NRA2BFree
They're not all gone. There's a mill somewhere that still employs somebody ;-)
9 posted on 03/06/2004 10:25:53 PM PST by AM2000
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To: AM2000
I agree but it seems to be more political now that the whites have been hit.
10 posted on 03/06/2004 10:31:12 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: AM2000
Bush has responded to the clamor about outsourcing by challenging American white-collar workers who have lost their jobs to "be more innovative".

Here's a thought, Prez, why don't you challenge the indians to "be more innovative" and develop their own industries so we can keep our jobs here? If, by developing their own industries they can legitimately take business away from American corporations, so be it. But, they should have to work for it, not have it handed to them.

This trend of "globalization" is just another form of wealth redistribution by corporate America as we are lead toward One World Government.

Future interstellar travelers to Earth will be greeted by the following sign: Welcome to Planet Earth. We're sorry that no one is here to greet you. We have gone to Mars in search of work. Enjoy your visit and tell all of your friends about Planet Earth. Have a good day.
11 posted on 03/06/2004 10:51:49 PM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: AM2000
They're not all gone. There's a mill somewhere that still employs somebody ;-)

Shhhhhh, don't let them hear you, or they'll sneak those jobs right off to India. ;)

12 posted on 03/06/2004 10:58:19 PM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: Brimack34
Why does it take white collars to get attention.

I was cognizant of the issues in offshoring in manufacturing -- however there was always room for advancement in the blue collar realm. Step up to being a skilled machinist, or the shop foreman. Or send your kids to school to become an engineer.

But where do the white collars have to go after their professions have been offshored? Graduate to being a WalMart greeter?

The people really getting screwed in this are the blue collars that sent their kids to college and now see their jobs being offshored to countries that have 10% of our cost of living.
13 posted on 03/06/2004 10:58:21 PM PST by lelio
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To: DustyMoment
But, they should have to work for it, not have it handed to them.

Do you actually think Corporate America is going to hand over anything to anyone? They're sending jobs to India because the people in India work for less, the cost benefits of which offset any possible loss in productivity. The Indians are, in other words, working for what they're getting. They're playing by the rules our government has agreed to play by. The real crux of the matter, IMHO, is that the rules agreed to by our government look after the interests of our corporations but not our people. For example, if it's so darn easy to move capital and jobs to India and China and Ireland, shouldn't it be as easy for labor to move too? Whether we'd like to or not, we should certainly have the option to do so. But while barriers for capital and jobs have been broken down through trade treaties, barriers to labor remain. The capital can move away but we're not allowed to go after it. In other words, our own elected representatives have handicapped us in this globalized workplace since they've allowed our jobs to go overseas and overseas workers to come here and take our jobs, but they haven't pushed foreign governments to allow us to chase the jobs or even the capital. Heck, at the very least, I'd like the opportunity to invest in Indian markets with the same independence of an Indian investor. But I'm not allowed to.

14 posted on 03/06/2004 11:23:30 PM PST by AM2000
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To: AM2000
Its amazing how callous and selfish the posts I see above. All we can worry about is some American
losing cozy jobs. Life in India is brutal, harsh and short. Decades of socialism have reduced them to
such a low standard of living that their slums and poverty are examples to the rest of the world of just
how bad things can get. Its become a cliché to have the charities of the world film is some germ
ridden spot in India and ask for your money to help. Now when these poor people who live in such
abject misery have a chance to earn a decent living doing honest work, without any kind of
government handout , we ignore their plight and worry instead that we won't be able to afford getting
coffee at Starbucks anymore. This from the very same people who are moved by the example of
Jesus suffering on our behalf in "The passion of Jesus Christ". Would Jesus be so blind to the plight of
India as we have been!
15 posted on 03/06/2004 11:29:18 PM PST by Nateman (Socialism first, cancer second.)
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To: Nateman
Most men will yell in pain when kicked in the stomach. That's just how it is.
16 posted on 03/06/2004 11:33:05 PM PST by AM2000
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To: Nateman
My complaint about India is a simple one.

They expect "free trade" from us and for American companies to continue sending work over there.

At the same time, they keep a very stiff protectionist barrier in place.

Can't have it both ways.

My opinion: Either they drop their walls or we should cut them off. No double-standards.

17 posted on 03/07/2004 12:51:54 AM PST by superloser (Tancredo 2004)
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To: superloser
Yeah, but if we want them to drop their tariff barriers on agriculture - the industry most Indians work in - they can expect us to drop our massive agricultural subsidies first. Free trade should mean free trade.
18 posted on 03/07/2004 1:55:57 AM PST by Bombay Bloke
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To: NRA2BFree
Losing jobs to people who are more qualified is one thing, but when a company shuts their doors in America and moves off to India, competition is NOT in the equation.

Not really: When Wal-Mart sells more than other stores their USP: the cheapest store, works. That doesn't mean that the expensive quality stores go out of business, it means that the other stores that have a USP of cheapness have to compete with Wal-mart. Ditto here, the best professionals will still get high paying salaries, but it won't be an industry for schmoos that get a 2 week course on idiots guide to programming.
19 posted on 03/07/2004 2:47:36 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: lelio
But where do the white collars have to go after their professions have been offshored? Graduate to being a WalMart greeter?

The good ones won't lose their jobs. THe good desginers, programmers etc. will always be worth it and they will survive. BUt the ones who just rode the wave in the 90s with little or no programming skills will be left by the wayside -- and those are the ones making the biggest noise -- because they want mediocrity to pay as well as it used to. Well, sorry, it won't, the bubble is gone and the supply is not so far below demand as it used to be.
20 posted on 03/07/2004 2:49:46 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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