Florida Forever - The political urban legend that facts won't kill

National Review Online ^ | March 09, 2004, 8:58 a.m. | Peter Kirsanow

[MrB]

Election Fraud + AP + No party mentioned = Democrat

[EEDUDE]

"Dems don't experience reality the same way you and I do. It looks different to them as they experience it and it looks different in their memories. Physical laws of nature and facts are irrelevent to them."

You sure used up a lot of perfectly good words just to say "Democrat"!

[spodefly]

Glad to see that the 'Q-Tip' was not able to keep Peter Kirsanow off the USCCR.

[Stultis]

Here's a good ern, backhoe, for the Vote Fraud archive.

[Prodigal Son]

Yeah, I suppose I did. But this is something conservatives need to get their minds around because it will be ever more important in the future.

The facts do NOT matter to the dems and their constituency.

This gets exacerbated with every day that goes by for a number of reasons.

But the key point is- the facts that we conservatives hold so dear, are not going to be a deciding factor in future elections. Maybe even this election. Dems don't care about the facts. We act as if simply displaying the facts will make a difference. And it might still do- this time. But it will not do in the future.

Reality, for the dems, is what their propaganda masters say it is. Hey, I'm not sh!tting you here, in the future, Dems will claim that Dubya owned black slaves and that will be reality. Nothing anybody could do will change that. People will believe it with the same force that they believe gravity works.

It's a very important dynamic that will factor heavily in the future of our country.

[EEDUDE]

I absolutely agree with you, and it's frustrating.

Black have indeed been "disenfranchised" to use their term, but they haven't yet figured out who did it to them...

Let's all sing "down on the Democratic plantation"

[Stultis]

The uncontroverted evidence shows that by statute the responsibility for the conduct of elections is in the hands of county supervisors, not the governor or secretary of state. County supervisors are independent officers answerable to county commissioners, not the governor or secretary of state. And in 24 of the 25 counties that had the highest ballot-spoilage rates, the county supervisor was a Democrat. (In the remaining county the supervisor was not a Republican, but an independent.) Moreover, as is simply put by Commissioner Thernstrom, voter error is not the same thing as "disenfranchisement." Even if more black than white voters spoiled their ballots by mistake, that's not evidence of a scheme to discriminate on the basis of race

Actually there was one group in Florida 2K who had their ballots invalidated, and obviously not by "mistake," since they had a spoilage rate Fifty Times higher than than others in their precincts: Black Republicans

[So Cal Rocket]

Actually there was one group in Florida 2K who had their ballots invalidated, and obviously not by "mistake," since they had a spoilage rate Fifty Times higher than than others in their precincts: Black Republicans

Thanks for the link... I had a question in my mind when I went to that thread, expecting to find the answer there - but it wasn't - so I'll ask it here:

How can you tell if the ballot that was spoiled was from a black Republican vs. a black Democrat vs. a White Republican, etc? Don't we vote using secret ballots?

[Stultis]

Unfortunately, as you note, Glassman and Lott do not explain this, nor can I find where they have published a more detailed exposition of their analysis, except that there is a slightly longer version of the same op-ed at AEI.

Whereas the shorter version (as published in the Los Angeles Times) simply said, "African American Republicans who voted in Florida were in excess of 50 times more likely than the average African American to have had a ballot declared invalid because it was spoiled," the AEI version says, "fifty-four to sixty-six times".

It would appear from this that they did some kind of analysis of the media recount ballot marking database that gave them these upper and lower bounds. I'd guess they inferred race from precinct percentages, and inferred party affiliation from down ballot votes.

[longtermmemmory]

Ground report: It seemed to be a heavy ELDERLY voter turnout in thisDEMOCRAT ONLY primary.

If you see video of FL voting, most likely it is all democrats voting as there was generally (with very very few city exceptions) nothing for Republicans to vot on.

2000 is their mantra.