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UNC Professor Urges Us to Rethink Islam
zwire ^ | 10 march, 2004 | DG Martin

Posted on 03/10/2004 4:31:27 AM PST by Eurotwit

In one of the presidential debates earlier this year, ABC's Peter Jennings asked candidate John Edwards, "...[M]any people, I think, believe that the greatest security threat to the United States in the 21st century is the possible confrontation between the West and Islam ... Could you take a minute to tell us what you know about the practice of Islam that would reassure Muslims throughout the world who will be listening to you that President Edwards understands their religion and how you might use that knowledge to avoid a confrontation ...?"

Edwards responded, in part, "I would never claim to be an expert on Islam. I am not." Edwards is not alone, at least according to UNC religion professor Carl Ernst, author of Following Mohammad: Rethinking Islam in the Contemporary World. Ernst believes that almost all Americans lack a clear understanding of the religion that claims more than a billion adherents. Indeed, Ernst writes, many Americans are bound to a false notion of Islam as a backward, women-oppressing, fanatical, and fundamentalist religion that is responsible for the Middle East-based terrorism with which our country is at war. Ernst also attacks the premise of Jennings' question that there is a looming "confrontation between the West and Islam." A true understanding of Islam, Ernst writes, would show its rich diversity, its solid ethical principles of peacefulness, tolerance, and respect for women, and its admirable commitment to submit to the will of God. Only with this broad understanding of Islam can we put into proper perspective its aberrations that we associate with Muslims whose conduct supports Jennings' premise of a confrontation between Islam and the West. Leading us to a different view of Islam is not an easy task, as Ernst acknowledges in the introduction to Following Mohammad. "... [T]he subject of Islam has become so controversial that some people cannot confront it." As an example Ernst cites the outrage that accompanied the UNC summer reading program's assignment of Approaching the Qur'an, a book that Ernst "enthusiastically recommended" to the program's organizers. The opposition to this kind of "impartial and fair minded" discussion of Islam, says Ernst, makes it "painfully obvious that such a discussion is exactly what we need." In Following Mohammad, Ernst attempts to offer "readers the tools to reach an independent understanding of the key themes and historical settings affecting Muslims - and non Muslims - around the world today." To come to a more objective view, Ernst believes we must learn more about the religious underpinnings of Islam. But that is not enough. Islam does not exist in a vacuum and must be explored in its historical and cultural context. Ernst insists that we come to terms with the great variety of Islam as it is practiced across the world. In matters of government we think of the "Islamic State" as a clearly defined concept. But the method of government is different in almost every country with a Muslim majority. For example, Saudi Arabia is a tribal monarchy operating in an uneasy alliance with the puritanical Wahhabi sect. Until the American-led intervention, Afghanistan was a Taliban-led theocracy. Turkey is, at least in theory, a secular nationalist state. Iran is an "Islamic Republic" with Western style democratic institutions that are subject to the supreme authority of Shi'i Muslim religious leaders. Although Ernst's positive explanation of Islam is generally persuasive, he sometimes leaves me unconvinced. For instance, Ernst dismisses Western views about modern Islamic scientific backwardness, saying they are "based on selective amnesia" and "must once again be placed in the context of European colonialism and its justification." Ernst's assertions leave even sympathetic readers without a counter to the facts presented so persuasively by informed commentators who point out that there is virtually no scientific progress in much of the Islamic world. For instance, last month Thomas Friedman wrote that "between 1980 and 1999 the nine leading Arab economies registered 370 patents (in the U.S.) for new inventions. Patents are a good measure of a society's education quality, entrepreneurship, rule of law and innovation. During that same 20-year period, South Korea alone registered 16,328 patents for inventions. You don't run into a lot of South Koreans who want to be martyrs." Although Ernst sometimes dismisses too quickly the ideas of those who disagree with him, Following Mohammad is a very important contribution to an informed understanding of Islam and its place in the modern world. As such, it should be required reading for Friedman, Jennings, Edwards, and everyone else who is trying to make sense of the challenges of the post 9-11 world.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: North Carolina
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1 posted on 03/10/2004 4:31:27 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
In one of the presidential debates earlier this year, ABC's Peter Jennings asked candidate John Edwards, "...[M]any people, I think, believe that the greatest security threat to the United States in the 21st century is the possible confrontation between the West and Islam ... Could you take a minute to tell us what you know about the practice of Islam that would reassure Muslims throughout the world who will be listening to you that President Edwards understands their religion and how you might use that knowledge to avoid a confrontation ...?"

Edwards responded, in part, "I would never claim to be an expert on Islam. I am not." Edwards is not alone, at least according to UNC religion professor Carl Ernst, author of Following Mohammad: Rethinking Islam in the Contemporary World. Ernst believes that almost all Americans lack a clear understanding of the religion that claims more than a billion adherents. Indeed, Ernst writes, many Americans are bound to a false notion of Islam as a backward, women-oppressing, fanatical, and fundamentalist religion that is responsible for the Middle East-based terrorism with which our country is at war.

Ernst also attacks the premise of Jennings' question that there is a looming "confrontation between the West and Islam." A true understanding of Islam, Ernst writes, would show its rich diversity, its solid ethical principles of peacefulness, tolerance, and respect for women, and its admirable commitment to submit to the will of God. Only with this broad understanding of Islam can we put into proper perspective its aberrations that we associate with Muslims whose conduct supports Jennings' premise of a confrontation between Islam and the West. Leading us to a different view of Islam is not an easy task, as Ernst acknowledges in the introduction to Following Mohammad. "...


[T]he subject of Islam has become so controversial that some people cannot confront it." As an example Ernst cites the outrage that accompanied the UNC summer reading program's assignment of Approaching the Qur'an, a book that Ernst "enthusiastically recommended" to the program's organizers. The opposition to this kind of "impartial and fair minded" discussion of Islam, says Ernst, makes it "painfully obvious that such a discussion is exactly what we need."

In Following Mohammad, Ernst attempts to offer "readers the tools to reach an independent understanding of the key themes and historical settings affecting Muslims - and non Muslims - around the world today." To come to a more objective view, Ernst believes we must learn more about the religious underpinnings of Islam. But that is not enough. Islam does not exist in a vacuum and must be explored in its historical and cultural context. Ernst insists that we come to terms with the great variety of Islam as it is practiced across the world.

In matters of government we think of the "Islamic State" as a clearly defined concept. But the method of government is different in almost every country with a Muslim majority. For example, Saudi Arabia is a tribal monarchy operating in an uneasy alliance with the puritanical Wahhabi sect. Until the American-led intervention, Afghanistan was a Taliban-led theocracy. Turkey is, at least in theory, a secular nationalist state. Iran is an "Islamic Republic" with Western style democratic institutions that are subject to the supreme authority of Shi'i Muslim religious leaders.

Although Ernst's positive explanation of Islam is generally persuasive, he sometimes leaves me unconvinced. For instance, Ernst dismisses Western views about modern Islamic scientific backwardness, saying they are "based on selective amnesia" and "must once again be placed in the context of European colonialism and its justification."

Ernst's assertions leave even sympathetic readers without a counter to the facts presented so persuasively by informed commentators who point out that there is virtually no scientific progress in much of the Islamic world. For instance, last month Thomas Friedman wrote that "between 1980 and 1999 the nine leading Arab economies registered 370 patents (in the U.S.) for new inventions. Patents are a good measure of a society's education quality, entrepreneurship, rule of law and innovation. During that same 20-year period, South Korea alone registered 16,328 patents for inventions. You don't run into a lot of South Koreans who want to be martyrs."

Although Ernst sometimes dismisses too quickly the ideas of those who disagree with him, Following Mohammad is a very important contribution to an informed understanding of Islam and its place in the modern world. As such, it should be required reading for Friedman, Jennings, Edwards, and everyone else who is trying to make sense of the challenges of the post 9-11 world.
2 posted on 03/10/2004 4:34:36 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Another cartload of Muslim P.R. bullshyt.
3 posted on 03/10/2004 4:35:32 AM PST by BikePacker
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To: Eurotwit
We must adapt to Islam. Its never brought up what Islam has to do to adapt to us.
4 posted on 03/10/2004 4:36:49 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Eurotwit
Gonna read the article right after I'm done slashing my son's head open with a razor to celebrate some holiday or another.
5 posted on 03/10/2004 4:38:22 AM PST by dagnabbit (Islamic Immigration is the West's Suicide)
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To: Eurotwit
..its solid ethical principles of peacefulness, tolerance, and respect for women, and its admirable commitment to submit to the will of God

Sure lost me here. I belive by their deeds ye shall know them.

6 posted on 03/10/2004 4:40:50 AM PST by TUX (Domino effect)
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To: Eurotwit
bump to read later
7 posted on 03/10/2004 4:43:14 AM PST by sneakers
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To: dagnabbit
BTW. Do you know that the slimy lawyer of Mullah Krekar is a member of the salvation army?
8 posted on 03/10/2004 4:43:25 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Meet UNC religion professor Carl Ernst...

...Islam's James Carville.
9 posted on 03/10/2004 4:45:44 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Eurotwit
Gee, candidate Edwards....which of the two Americas do you think this applies two....? Phoney baloney.
10 posted on 03/10/2004 4:54:40 AM PST by smiley
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To: Eurotwit
Anyone that wants to learn about the REAL Islam only has to go Here.

And NO! It is not a joke site.

11 posted on 03/10/2004 4:55:12 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: Eurotwit
Americans are bound to a false notion of Islam as a backward, women-oppressing, fanatical, and fundamentalist religion that is responsible for the Middle East-based terrorism with which our country is at war.

I don't see many acts of terrorism perpetrated by Swedes or Norwegians.

12 posted on 03/10/2004 5:00:57 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: Eurotwit
"Edwards is not alone, at least according to UNC religion professor Carl Ernst, author of Following Mohammad: Rethinking Islam in the Contemporary World. Ernst believes that almost all Americans lack a clear understanding of the religion that claims more than a billion adherents."

He's right. Most Americans know little of Islam. If they truly understood it, they would recognize the grave threat that Wahhabist Islam as promulgated primarily in Saudi Arabia poses for the entire civilized world.
13 posted on 03/10/2004 5:03:48 AM PST by ZULU (God Bless Senator Joe McCarthy!!!)
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To: Eurotwit
to tell us what you know about the practice of Islam that would reassure Muslims throughout the world...

Monumental dumb question of the week!
Obviously, the talking heads need to know nothing to ask a dumb question. Reassure muslims?
Reassure?
Good grief!

I want them to stay the hell away. That's all the reassurance I need. And Edwards, and every other dimwit politician better concentrate on reassuring me and every other American. That's why we are electing a freeping leader, not to reassure muslims, the euroweenies or anyone else!

Do I need to understand the criminal mind to reassure criminals, muggers, rapists, random snipers, white collar criminals? Hell no. Do I want to? No.

The only entent on any discussions I would ever want to have with muslims, or to see my president have is:

Are there any Christians churches allowed in your country? No? Then explain to me why the U.S. should allow any mosques in the U.S. And listen carefully... your religious and cultural sensitivities take second place, or worse, in my priority list of goals, when compared to the safety, well-being and the long term benefit of American citizens.

14 posted on 03/10/2004 5:08:23 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: isthisnickcool
Q: "1) If a non-mahram gives salaam to me, am I supposed to reply it quietly or loudly? I have heard its wajib to reply to a salaam. Society and Culture."

A: If you moan softly while a non-mahran gives you salaam, you must redeem you honor by becoming a martyr and killing at least 12 Jew-pigs or one American-dog. Americans are not as loathsome in the eyes of Allah, the Great, the Merciful, just harder to kill since 9-11. It you scream loudly while getting a wajib from a Jew-pig's uncircumcised salaam you must kill 20 Jew pigs. If you make an audible gasp in either case, you can get off with only 6-Jew-pigs or one English or Australian dog, and you will be blessed in the eyes of Allah.

Who says I don't understand Islam?
15 posted on 03/10/2004 5:08:39 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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To: alaskanfan
Well, there are a couple of "swedes" at Guantanamo... Off course they are not lutheran :-)
16 posted on 03/10/2004 5:09:01 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: alaskanfan; Charles Henrickson
I don't see many acts of terrorism perpetrated by Swedes or Norwegians.

Well, there was that whole Lutefisk thing.

<|:)~

17 posted on 03/10/2004 5:10:29 AM PST by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: alaskanfan
No, no...that pitbull gnawing on your leg is really a poodle...
18 posted on 03/10/2004 5:11:33 AM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: WestTexasWend
No, no...that pitbull gnawing on your leg is really a poodle...

I don't care what is is.
I'm going to kill the sumbitch!

19 posted on 03/10/2004 5:15:51 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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To: alaskanfan
Americans are bound to a false notion of Islam as a backward, women-oppressing, fanatical, and fundamentalist religion that is responsible for the Middle East-based terrorism with which our country is at war.

Who you going to believe? Madison Ave. paid for with sandmaggot dollars or your own lying eyes?

20 posted on 03/10/2004 5:17:15 AM PST by Publius6961 (50.3% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks (subject to a final count).)
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