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Ferret: why I'm alarmed by FR & will never post here ever again (except for my 9 replies & counting)
Originally posted elsewhere ^ | 2004-03-08 | Michael Joseph McCarthy

Posted on 03/16/2004 4:38:03 AM PST by bicycle thug

Edited on 03/16/2004 5:17:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Mod update: To put this "opus" in perspective, some additional information compliments of a thorough FReeper, dighton.

From a Kerry in 2004 Meetup page, via google cache:

bicyclethug (Eugene, OR)

I am Michael Joseph McCarthy, well known forest activist in Eugene, Oregon who ran against Scott Meisner for City Council last election. I am a Member of the Pacific Green Party who wants this scoundrel in office now thrown out.

72 posted on 03/16/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by dighton


Begin "opus":

Fascism in Free Republic manifests itself as extreme ideology that celebrates themselves as solely representing the nation as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. Liberalism is the prime keyword to represent the "problem" group causing the "decay and disruption of "proper" American life.

The FR reminds me of the typical fascist call for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and calls to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

FR's call to purge Liberalism and to install a conservative only lifestyle in these United States is not realistic under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution which is designed for all groups of all types and classes to be protected from the domination and authority of the dominant group.

The FR calls for the establishment of a dominant group - their brand of Conservatives - that keeps all the others in line including conservatives "who don't think right on various topics. The virtual community has degenerated into a witch hunt for any and all "untrue thinkers," who must be purged at all costs.

FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies - and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only. FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of what a community is, and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely. FReepers unethically disrupts polls, hacks and disrupts other sites, and uses real or perceived disruption by others of their site as a rallying point to drive home a wedge between them and any group not belonging to the FReeper movement to reshape America.

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and even true conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority. He wishes to create an entity that can influence people like Bush to fall into sync with his goals by offering an effective vehicle to mobilize and control people on the grass roots level as he has proved to people like the President that he indeed can do things like galvanize and grow the Klamath water rights for farmers issue.

JimRob is shrewd, he wishes to influence those in higher office and at the same time remold the electorate into a cohesive force that can roll over any group that gets in it's way in a very unconstitutional fashion.

The FR exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic (or in the Free Republic's case the classic homosexual wedge issue) scapegoating or radical- sounding conspiracy theories. They reject the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.

Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, and much like fascism, they often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.

Fascism always has had a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right much like the FR does. It strives to be not a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, they defend capitalism against instability and the left, but also they pursue an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways.

I have watched and studied the FR with going horror as this culture has grown more malignant and horrifying over the years. Any and all peoples and nations are vulnerable to the disease of fascism, and thought I am sure JimRob and company started with the best of intentions, over the years they have cognitively grown more hostile and unreasonable to anyone not of an elite brand of FReeper. The road to fascism is so incremental it sneaks in and decades later people always wonder how the heck it happened. And it is happening at that particular virtual community, make no mistake about it.

I have always wanted to see the FR grow up. Journalism in these United States was reactionary and lacked accountability in the early years of our nation and as it evolved it was forced to grow up. I want the FR to flourish and to grow up ethically and responsibly, with a measure of respect and empathy for those other groups that blend with them to form our great nation.

But it hasn't, and it has grown into an entity quite alarming. If FReepers care and act now, they can take back a precious jewel of a forum bought and paid for by them that fills an important need in their lives.

If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear; The United States of America as we know it with our Constitution as is works now with it's checks and balances there to prevent Fascist and totalitarian entities from taking us and the world on the road to incredible destruction and human misery.

. This is a critically important topic, and people have leadership and intuitive skills that can either debunk me, or develop tools to reform FR and make it responsible and ethical as it should be. I don't hate and nurse disdain for the Free Republic, I deeply care and want the best for FReepers. And it hurts deeply and horribly to articulate my thoughts and fears here, as FReepers are indeed special people who do not deserve to be used, and to have bad things happen to them, or to be manipulated to cause bad things to happen to others.

Peace, and respect to all.


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To: bicycle thug
I just did not know all of this. I had no idea. This FreeRepublic place is worst than radical Islam. Thanks for telling me. Jim Rob was making me kneel down and pray to this place numerous times a day.

You better be careful. They have made a Freep-Phatwa against you. Be afraid. Be very afriad. /s off

101 posted on 03/16/2004 5:15:35 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: bicycle thug
One of the board's "First Ladys" has on her profile page something I'm going to pinch *just* for you, only because it's so fitting.

"The first sign of a nervous breakdown is taking yourself too seriously."

Naturally given the degree of *boor* you are, I'd say you're well beyond that first sign, whoeverinthehellyouare.

...& *somewhere* lost in complete madness.

102 posted on 03/16/2004 5:16:27 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: hellinahandcart
In professional wrestling (and probably other wakls of life), this is known has a "heel turn". Good riddance. Then again, after seeing that green party Google cache of yours, my mind is thinking "disruptor".
103 posted on 03/16/2004 5:17:05 AM PST by SkiHatGuy
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To: isthisnickcool
Freep-Phatwa

I love it! Did you make that up? It would work great in a tagline.

104 posted on 03/16/2004 5:17:19 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: bicycle thug
Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority.

Lemme see. You are posting this in your opus. That means you are leaving of your own free will, but also have posted here of your own free will for some time. Which means JimRob has no ability to force you to be here and adhere to his rules, unlike, say, Soviet gulags. You apparently fail to grasp the inherent absurdity in what you are saying.

The Constitution provides for freedom of association - and the same right of the Boy Scouts to exclude gays also extends to JimRob and his right to exclude people from his website that he doesn't want posting here, for whatever reason JimRob wants.

The only fascists I see are the folks who demand that JimRob give them a place on his website in the name of freedom of expression, which in effect obviates the equally important right of freedom of association. If you wish to go somewhere else on the web and post your rants, and the government tries to shut your website down or censor what you are saying, then I'll rise up to defend you. But what JimRob is doing on his site is just as much of a Constitutional right as is your right to express your opinion.

105 posted on 03/16/2004 5:17:30 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: Stentor
If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor

You and what pathetic army?

He means that when Libs get back to power and use the wonderful weapons of Patriot I and Patriot II, Waco massacre will pale with comparison. No accident our thug studies fascism so much.

106 posted on 03/16/2004 5:17:40 AM PST by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: bicycle thug
Yes, yes, we're all facists here...(*YAWN*)
107 posted on 03/16/2004 5:17:44 AM PST by Colosis (RENTAL CAR: The only *TRUE* all-terrain vehicle.)
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To: Lazamataz
Understand your point.

This poster has a long history on FR and that is what I was responding to. Plus, his opus was insulting to all FReepers in basically saying that we weren't capable of thinking for ourselves. 'Pod

108 posted on 03/16/2004 5:17:52 AM PST by sauropod (I intend to have Red Kerry choke on his past.)
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To: bicycle thug
These are your feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings?

Klamath water rights for farmers issue.

With all due respect for Freepers, Klamath Falls was a big, big issue on the net and on talk radio even without FreeRepublic. You typed in your feeeeeeeeeelings with but one example and it's bogus.

If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear

Speaking for myself and not as a Freeper, I am one who has been waiting for at least four decades for them (New Left pipsqueaks) to try. Bring it on! We have a free press after getting rid of the "fairness doctrine." Free speech is worth shedding blood for. Our free speech, their blood.

109 posted on 03/16/2004 5:17:52 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: bicycle thug
I'd post a comment, but I'm late for my goose-stepping lessons.
110 posted on 03/16/2004 5:18:41 AM PST by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MJY1288
...or in the Free Republic's case the classic homosexual wedge issue....

Sounds more like a wedgies issue to me. ;)
111 posted on 03/16/2004 5:18:52 AM PST by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person)
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To: Lead Moderator
Thank you for not deleting my account. Do I have your permission to thread parent my thread here? I will go nowhere else.

I will honor your wishes.
112 posted on 03/16/2004 5:19:38 AM PST by bicycle thug (I'm just a Pit bull on the pant leg of opportunity)
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To: bicycle thug
JimRob is shrewd, he wishes to influence those in higher office and at the same time remold the electorate into a cohesive force that can roll over any group that gets in it's way in a very unconstitutional fashion.

I Knew it was a conspiracy! It's dark in your world, isn't it.

113 posted on 03/16/2004 5:19:42 AM PST by Joe Driscoll
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To: Lazamataz
I must be so out of the loop. No one ever calls me :-(.
114 posted on 03/16/2004 5:19:56 AM PST by netmilsmom (Jonathansmommie's daughter was born 3-11-04, God Bless her!)
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To: bicycle thug
If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear

Ah - the answer to freedom of association is censhorship and the rule of the mob. Who's the fascist, ferret? I used to think you had some redeeming qualities, but seeing you write this, I obviously was wrong. You really need to re-examine your anarchist premises, or at least quit pretending that it's about the Constitution when you would shred the Constitution to shut FR down if you don't like what is being said here.

115 posted on 03/16/2004 5:20:41 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: veronica
There is room on the world wide web for lots of forums. There is room for FR and LP. :))) I'll say this though. Jim Robinson and his crew keep this forum amazingly free of kooks, loons, anti-semites, Bush-haters, conspiracy nuts, lefties, and tin-foil hat types.

One of my biggest complaints about LP is that one must spend time deconstructing many of the conspiracy-theorists screeds. I knocked someone out who was claiming that no seismic vibrations (or severely lessened ones) would be felt from the 9/11 airliner strikes, because the dirt tends to absorb the shock.

Well, he asserted that, until I demonstrated that the WTC was anchored in bedrock, that is. :o)

Another had a conspiracist claiming that the WTC was brought down by demolition charges, and produced a video that supposedly showed demo-charge jets preceding the collapse.

I went frame-by-frame and deconstructed his theory.

So, unfortunately, precious time is wasted over there in refuting theories that are counter to which we normally would know is obvious. So that is my number-one complaint about LP.

Oh, and I really don't like the "Bush is a TRAITOR" stuff over there. I cringe every time I read it. He may be flawed, but he's no traitor.

116 posted on 03/16/2004 5:20:46 AM PST by Lazamataz (How to turn a 'Basher into a 'Bot: LET THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN SUNSET!!!!)
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To: DefCon

Could this be the bicycle thug?

117 posted on 03/16/2004 5:21:05 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp - 201.4 (-98.6))
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To: bicycle thug
If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor ... Peace, and respect to all

And the gulag for those who refuse our path.

118 posted on 03/16/2004 5:21:49 AM PST by dirtboy (Howard, we hardly knew ye. Not that we're complaining, mind you...)
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To: bicycle thug
I have no idea what thread parent means.

You are asking my permission? You posted something from a site Jim has blacklisted, you have signed back up after being banned. Several times over.

And now you want to pretend you have any respect for the wishes of the staff or of Jim?

119 posted on 03/16/2004 5:21:58 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: netmilsmom
I must be so out of the loop. No one ever calls me :-(.

Don't worry, sweety. I'll call ya. You can be in my little Wolf-pack. :o)

120 posted on 03/16/2004 5:22:14 AM PST by Lazamataz (How to turn a 'Basher into a 'Bot: LET THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN SUNSET!!!!)
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