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Ranching On The Front Lines (Diamond Bar update)
Eco-Logic Powerhouse ^ | 03-17-04 | Laura Schneberger

Posted on 03/17/2004 7:49:12 PM PST by NMC EXP

Many western ranchers found out over the past decade that if they want their private rights protected, they must stay out of federal court. After a painful crash-course in federal courthouse procedure, ranchers learn very quickly that the only obligation a federal judge has is upholding the sanctity of bureaucracy, and the regulation that backs it. The second lesson learned is that a federal judge will seldom do research on behalf of the individual in court, and nearly always rubber-stamps whatever red tape a federal agency wishes to have the force of law. The fact that most public officials take an oath to uphold the constitution when they take office has no more effect on their decisions than wedding vows have on a Hollywood marriage.

Kit and Sherry Laney found out the hard way that their constitutional rights have no bearing in federal court. After spinning their wheels for the better part of a decade, in and out of the U.S. Forest Service administrative process, then the federal courts system, all they have to show is a family and business that has been left in near shambles, and a contempt of court ruling. Even after more than a decade of watching their private rights take a beating, the Laneys remain dedicated to fighting the federal government for those rights, and their home.

The argument is simple enough, they are ranchers claiming private property rights, not to the federal land where the ranch is based, but to the fee interest in the surface of the land on a ranch that predates the existence of the U.S. Forest Service.

It's no secret that ranchers own water rights on federally administered land. There are myriad state laws that validate private ownership of water on western lands administered for grazing. The big secret is what is attached to the water rights on these lands and how much authority federal agencies have to regulate access to those rights. The USFS claim is, that unless there is a current gazing permit, a contract that the rancher signs, there are no private access or use rights to the land. That permit has become so burdensome that it is no longer a cooperative annual operating plan; it is now accompanied by annual operating instructions, as if the USFS knows better how to run a cow operation than a professional cowman. Under such a permit, the agency is authorized by the rancher to regulate each and every aspect of the private business, and the rights on the land are systematically revoked. Congressional statute doesn't back that claim, and the Laneys, among others, are challenging the false notion that ranchers own nothing on federal lands.

Background

In early 2002, Nevada rancher Wayne Hage prevailed in the U.S. court of claims over a claim similar to the one that the Laneys are using. Since that decision, the cat has jumped out of the bag, and western ranchers are coming to realize that these allotment-based ranches are more complex than originally thought.

A vested right to access these lands was traditionally handed down to each rancher who ever held title to the ranch. Territorial law, and later, congressional statute, gave the settlers of these lands authority to put the waters to beneficial use, and carve a ranching business, and rights of way, for grazing livestock. Over the course of the past 100 years, most of the supporting statutes have been lost in the minds of the agency, and not incorporated into their regulatory process. Over the years, even the ranchers forgot they owned something on the land.

Baloney

The Laneys purchased the ranch in good faith. Knowing that upland waters were the key to keeping cattle dispersed throughout the ranch, and improving the grazing conditions, they sought and received a signed Memorandum of Understanding from the USFS allowing the improvements for water supply in the uplands. This MOU was a required condition for the purchase of the ranch. By 1995, the USFS revoked the MOU, succumbing to pressure from the same environmental extremists who now claim the Laneys' cattle are harming the riparian areas. The Agency then cut the number of cattle the Laneys could run, by nearly three-quarters. The Laneys' permit came up for renewal and they refused to sign the permit the USFS offered, saying it revoked their private rights in the water, and access to the land. Instead, they offered the agency a permit that recognized those rights. The USFS refused to acknowledge this permit as a viable option, and through the regulatory process, began forcing the Laneys off their ranch. The Laneys fought the decision in court. The Forest Service, and a federal judge, disagreed with the Laneys' interpretation of the law, and in 1996, ordered the Laneys to remove their cattle. The Laneys were forced off the ranch, and out of their own home, for seven years.

From 2001 through 2003, Kit and Sherry repeatedly applied for the minimum permit the agency's own Environmental Impact Statement allowed the allotment to graze. They were denied. They then had the allotment inspected by range and riparian specialists to determine if it was in good enough condition for grazing. The experts issued a report stating that the allotment was in good-to-excellent shape. The Laneys then used the report to again apply for a 300-head permit. Again, they were denied, not just twice, but three separate times. The USFS claimed that the ranch, which historically, and scientifically, was capable of running nearly 1200 head of cattle, could no longer be authorized for a mere 300 head, and no valid reason was ever given. The Laneys then chose to return to their home, with their livestock - but without a permit. They believe this is a property dispute, and the USFS is just another landowner.

Intestinal Fortitude

Once they chose to access their private fee interest in the land, they filed their deeded fee interest in the three county courthouses where the land is located. Those filings were accepted, and the Laneys paid property taxes on the fee interest property, effectively avoiding the administrative process of the USFS.

The agency didn't take kindly to being ignored and went to the Tenth Circuit Court and asked that the Laneys be held in contempt of court over the 1996 ruling that stated they may own the water, but they must have a permit to graze their cattle on the public land.

The Laneys advised the court that based on new information, their argument had changed since the 1996 ruling. The new argument was based on the fact that they were accessing their own fee interest property, not the public lands. The federal court and the USFS do not have the jurisdiction to regulate their business, since their fee lands were based on vested rights that predate the USFS.

The Judge issued a contempt of court ruling in December of 2003 without considering the new information and without looking at the Laneys chain of title that verifies their vested rights. The fee interest argument was ignored. Certainly, the federal Judge had authority to authorize the removal of cattle from any federal land (public, national forest, etc.) but not from rights of way, easements, or other types of fee land that placed cattle on their federal grazing allotment. Clearly, these rights exist, and clearly, the Laneys claims are valid, however, the sticking point is that the federal courts simply do not have to consider anything but federal regulations.

A fee interest right and a grazing allotment is, in effect, a private property right; property is not subject to federal jurisdiction through a regulatory process at the hands of a federal agency. The Laneys feel that as long as the federal courts refuse to acknowledge them as private citizens, and continues to think of them as permittees, their private rights will never be addressed.

Backing Your Brother's Play

When the USFS began implementing the impoundment of the Laney's cattle, the local law stepped in. Cliff Snyder, Catron county Sheriff, was one player who took his oath of office seriously. Acting in the best interest of the residents of his county, many of whom had suffered livestock losses at the hands of the USFS, contributing to long-term damage to the county's economic structure, the Sheriff issued a letter tothe USFS. He informed them that they would not violate state law in impounding the livestock, and if they did, he would arrest anyone caught rustling the cattle. Due to the Sheriff's ultimatum, the full story on the ranch dispute was finally made available to the contractors hired to gather the cattle. Those contractors promptly quit.

Rusty McCorkell was one of them

Rusty and his sons are contract cattlemen the agency hires to gather feral livestock throughout the region. He says he was put off the job that could have paid him over a hundred thousand dollars when he heard the Laneys argument. Rusty says the agency didn't provide him with all the information he needed to make a clear decision when they put out the contract. Rusty says, "I want the Laneys to win this, If the shoe was on the other foot, I would want the chance to see this through."

When Rusty called the contracting officer and told them he wanted out, he was initially threatened with legal recourse. Though the USFS has since apologized to McCorkell for the muscling he received, they did make a feeble attempt to convince him that he had been threatened by the Laneys, suggesting that was the reason he quit. Rusty is very clear that he wanted no part of ruining the Laneys chances to win this argument once and for all. While Rusty feels the USFS has been a fair employer in the past, and will work for them again, he hasn't changed his mind on accepting the contract. The USFS is still on the hunt for a cowman with enough ability to impound the Laney cattle.

Shooting Down the Sheriff

For his courage in supporting the state constitution and rural community, Sheriff Snyder was advised by the New Mexico Attorney General, to allow state law to be broken and to facilitate the impoundment of the Laney cattle. If he chose to continue on the current course, he was subject to arrest by federal marshals.

New Mexico is a sovereign state, and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county. The sheriff has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official. Yet, The New Mexico Attorney General has allowed the Catron county sheriff to understand he will receive no support from the state if he protects the people in his county and forces the federal agency to comply with the state laws.

New Mexico is a state of a different color in the west and the near 50/50 split seen on the political scene of the nation can be duplicated on a smaller scale in New Mexico. Despite the poverty in the rural communities, most rural New Mexicans are of a conservative nature. The Governor and Attorney General are not supporters of rural residents and agricultural interests.

The Attorney General's office, has in effect, approved and embraced the enforcement of a court decision that does not compel any agency of the New Mexican government to treat the Forest Service differently from any other landowner. The Tenth Circuit Court only authorized the Forest Service, under its regulations, to impound and remove the Laney livestock. But, they are still subject to State laws. Just as the truck that hauls the cattle to the sale will have to have a license and obey the speed limit, so too will the Forest Service have to adhere to the State laws for seizing another's property. And that will require a trip to a State Court to prove the title to the land the Forest Service says the Laneys are trespassing on.

The federal statutes the Forest Service operates under contain more than a dozen instances where Congress declared, in law, that nothing in the Act would destroy "valid existing rights." The battle in New Mexico over valid rights that predate the new-federal-scheme-of-the-day - whether it's the valid existing rights of the tribes, the valid existing rights of the community land grants, the prior appropriation of water, or water and forage rights by ranchers - require an Attorney General who is dedicated to the rule of law and the dual Sovereignty the Supreme Court has declared in many decisions.

Patricia Madrid, New Mexico's Attorney General, not only lets the lawless Forest Service get away with ignoring New Mexican law, but she is, in this writer's opinion, actually facilitating in the undermining of the valid existing vested rights of a New Mexico citizen. She is the worst kind of Attorney General New Mexico could ever have - a lackey of a federal government that is more concerned with protecting its bureaucracies than in protecting citizens and states rights.

Forcing the state to do the dirty work

State jurisdiction doesn't end with land disputes and a county Sheriff's determination to uphold his oath of office. In Printz v. the United States 1997, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the federal government couldn't compel a state to carry out its regulatory programs. Nor can it command a state's officers to carry out those programs. Except for the support of NM state officials, the USFS is back at square one. If the Laneys' claims are valid, there is no jurisdiction under federal regulation to do anything with their livestock. Neither the courts nor the USFS can make the state responsible for implementing the theft of the Laney cattle. In the case of the Laney livestock impoundment, the state can and should, just say no.

What the agency needs is a valid court order from a court with proper jurisdiction in property disputes; they can then force the issue on the state, and demand assistance. Without that court order, state officials can be subject to liability for breaking the law.

Recourse

Because the Laney's claim of a privately held fee interest in the land was never properly addressed in the Federal District Court or the Tenth Circuit, the Laneys don't feel they are subject to an impoundment of their private property, and will prosecute anyone involved in it. All the agency has to do is quiet title the fee interest claim and challenge the Laneys in a property court. So far, they have refused to do so, probably because there is no way for them to win such a case. Interest in fee lands are held by private individuals and the law is very clear on that issue. If the USFS were to try to quiet title the fee interest away from the Laneys they would very likely lose. Until the argument is before the proper court and an order to remove the livestock is issued there should be no impoundment of the Laney cattle.

The Laneys can prove that their rights vested prior to USFS existence. There are at least a dozen Acts of Congress that clearly intend for ranchers on these lands to be able to develop a vested, permanent interest in the land through rights of way, and water access. There are at least a half-dozen State Supreme Court rulings, and even a couple of U.S. Supreme Court rulings that confirm ranches in existence prior to USFS's implementation of the grazing program, held vested rights on the land in question. Those ranches may not even require a permit. Ranches that came into existence after the USFS may still be required to have a permit to make improvements on the land, however, they still own the improvement after it is in place, and the USFS must still compensate when the improvement is taken. Only improvements under the Federal Land Planning Management Act (FLPMA) which was passed in 1976, are subject to USFS jurisdiction. However, depending on state water law, the individual may still own the property attached to the improvement.

Over the years, the USFS has become so confused by the evolving statutes that they have allowed the permitting process to overwhelm the intent of congress. It is questionable whether the process is even legal.

As far as the Laneys are concerned, they didn't leave the permitting process, the permitting process left them when the agency crafted a permit designed to rob them, of their private vested rights in an historic ranch.

Unfortunately, for the Laneys, they live in a state that is squeamish about upholding its own laws. New Mexico's current administration prefers to hold hands with the federal government, when they should be slapping those hands. The New Mexico Governor and state Attorney General, simply cannot afford to allow their contributors to see them as supporting the agricultural industry, even if it is the largest industry in the state.

While the Laney battle would likely prevail in the U.S. court of claims, it is not necessarily the best place to play out this battle. When private rights are chronically, and illegally usurped by federal regulation, it is hardly fair to force private property owners into the court of claims as their only legal recourse. The cost is out of reach for most ranchers and small business owners. Nor is it fair to force the taxpayer to foot the bill when these takings cases are won. However, it seems to be the only recourse for thousands of displaced western ranchers, since the USFS simply will not acknowledge they have limitations under the law. Congress will not make the agencies comply with the intent of the law, and the states will not uphold the rights of their citizens.

The ball is now in the court of state officers, it is up to them to weigh the will of the governor and the questionable advice of the NM Attorney General's office, and decide whether to protect the citizens of the state against an unconstitutional ruling and unfair federal action. Federal decisions should always be based on constitutional principles, regardless of which particular court they come from. Ignoring their basic oath of office to uphold the constitution has relegated honorable judges to mere clerks for federal agencies. A sovereign state should not be willing to follow that example.

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Laura Schneberger lives near the Diamond Bar Ranch, and has followed this battle since the beginning. She maintains a Diamond Bar web site where more details are available.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: forestservice; governmenttakings; laney; propertyrights; sagebrushrebellion
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The US Forest Service rounded up Laney's cattle over the last few days and penned them up. The cows are calving at this time. Many of the new calves could not keep up and were left behind in the mountains.

Laney tried to turn the cows loose so they could find their calves. Four armed USFS agents claimed Laney attacked them.

Laney is in jail.

A federal judge denied his bond request.

Only in Amerika.

1 posted on 03/17/2004 7:49:12 PM PST by NMC EXP
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To: robertpaulsen
Kit Laney/property rights FYI.
2 posted on 03/17/2004 7:50:49 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP
This is pathetic. The problem is most judges see their office as a "reward" and an end in itself. There is nothing left to do but to just sign things, not research and understand them as the duties of the office was originally concieved.

Sad.
3 posted on 03/17/2004 8:11:31 PM PST by JSteff
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To: farmfriend
ping
4 posted on 03/17/2004 9:38:31 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Issaquahking; Jeff Head
Heads up.
5 posted on 03/17/2004 9:59:59 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: NMC EXP
I hope you're not expecting me to comment on this case.
6 posted on 03/18/2004 8:19:48 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I meant to flag the other robert paulsen (#2).

Your evil twin?

Please feel free to comment anyway.

I am curious about why you think I would not be interested in your input on this case.

Regards

J.R.
7 posted on 03/18/2004 7:33:50 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ..
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
8 posted on 03/18/2004 7:43:03 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
The rural cleansing continues unabated even with a republican president in charge.

Agenda 21 and the Wildlands Project trump the Constitution again (or is it still?).

Regards

J.R.
9 posted on 03/18/2004 8:01:35 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP
Don't you understand the "R" behind the name is what is important. /sarcasm
10 posted on 03/18/2004 8:03:53 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
Pretty soon it's going to be R stands for Run, just the way D stands for Dumb now.
11 posted on 03/18/2004 8:24:10 PM PST by B4Ranch (Most men and nations die, lying down.)
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To: B4Ranch
Ain't that the truth!
12 posted on 03/18/2004 8:27:40 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: NMC EXP; farmfriend
Bump and Bookmark. This is a good synopsis of the Diamond Bar Ranch debacle.
13 posted on 03/19/2004 3:34:02 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!!
14 posted on 03/19/2004 5:28:36 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: NMC EXP
"I am curious about why you think I would not be interested in your input on this case."

I would think you would want an informed opinion. Mine would not be one of those.

15 posted on 03/19/2004 6:21:15 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: NMC EXP
Thanks for your support in keeping everyone informed about what's going on with my family's ranch. We really do need more concerned citizens like you!

As of last Thursday (March 18) anywhere between 90 some head and 200 and some head of Diamond Bar, KIT and SS branded cattle have been rounded up and contained, depending on which FS personnel you are talking to. According to Zeno Kiehne, Editor of The Messenger newspaper headquartered in Reserve, NM, who was allowed into the contained area the cattle are being held in, there are at least 3 tight bagged cows (which means the personnel left at least 3 calves out on the ranch somewhere, where they have most likely falled prey to either coyotes or wolves which are running loose over there) and one dogie calf, who is surviving by stealing milk from whichever cows will let it. FS Range Staff employee Steve Libby, was acting like he'd really done something great, showing off 3 new calves that had been born since the containment, like he was the owner or something, Kiehne reported.

I talked to my husband, Kit Laney's brother, who is over there at this time, he said Kit is still in jail, and they "should" have a hearing tomorrow concerning his release. The bad thing is that even if he's released, he won't be allowed to go home, or even anywhere around the ranch until the cattle, rustlers and everyone is gone from there. We've heard that Bob Jones from Otero County, was able to get custody of Kit until he is allowed to return home. Kit's parents and his eldest brother all tried to get custody, but the FS wants him further out of the country than Luna.

Yesterday, March 20, two sisters of Sherry Farr (Kit's ex-wife and partner in the Diamond Bar) were allowed to go see the cattle (strange how the FS let the sisters see the cattle, but won't let the owners near them?). While they were there, they planned to take pictures of the license plates on vehicles, but there was a folding chair over each license plate, effectively blocking them from view. Recently, a license number from one of the contractor pickups was run, and it came back as belonging to a Jeep from Albuquerque. The contractor is from Espanola or El Rito. So are they using bogus license plates to mislead everyone, or what is the main purpose of this do you think?

The really unbelievable part of this is that the stories the FS is telling (yea, there are at least 2 versions going around) are completely different than Kit's story of the same incident. The officer that testified at the arraignment wasn't even there when it happened, so it's just hearsay that he testified to. How's that for our justice system?

Kit is currently being charged with assault on a federal officer, assault with a deadly weapon (get this, the deadly weapon they are referring to is a horse.......), resisting arrest and failure to comply with a court order. I'm not sure how many of those charges they'll be able to make stick, but I hope the Judge will see through the lies and dismiss them all......time will tell. One of the FS employees that was in on the incident, however, had been heard to comment that he "wanted to see Kit Laney in chains". He got his wish at Kit's arraignment, when they brought him into the courtroom in leg irons, handcuffs, the whole nine yards. To add insult to injury, they had him dressed in a green jumpsuit, green being the color of the FS uniforms........makes me just want to throw up to think about it!

What gets really good is that the MOU (Memorandum Of Understanding) that was signed by Livestock Board Director, Daniel Manzanarez, (who incidentally, has the authority to pay bills and that's about all) was done behind the majority of the Livestock Board's backs. The Chairman of the Livestock Board, Bill King, told Manzanarez to sign the MOU with the FS. None of the other Board members were even aware of this until about 10 days later. The more we learn about what actually happened, it seems to point to the idea that this was actually ordered to happen by our own Governor, Bill Richardson.........it just gets better and better!

I won't be back for no telling how long, to update you on what actually happens, as our 13 year old son, Albert, and I are headed back to the ranch in the morning.

Thanks for letting me "vent" about all this stuff! You're a good group here, and I'm really glad I found this site!
16 posted on 03/21/2004 8:20:05 PM PST by Ranchwife ("You Just Can't See Him From The Road" Chris LeDoux)
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To: Ranchwife
My thoughts and prayers are with you guys.

I am in the midwest. All of my mothers people were farmers and cattlemen. I used to spend summers and some winters working the cattle. Pulling calves, dehorning, clamping, doctoring for pinkeye, hauling hay when its 20 below and chopping holes in the ice on the creek so they could drink.

Its a tough but good life.

Its a lot tougher when the feral government wants you gone and is willing to lie, cheat and steal to get it done.

You westerners are on the front lines on this and are bleeding first.

But it is happening around here too.

In the midwest the drive to implement the Wildlands Project centers on the rivers.....and the watersheds which feed them. For instance the Mississippi watershed encompasses half the US and is subject to eventual regulation and control to save the river.

I am a property rights fanatic. I listen to the Derry Brownfield talk show and he has been giving regular updates on this and similar situations.

Tell your family to take heart, and take care.

Best regards.

Jim
17 posted on 03/22/2004 7:15:56 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: farmfriend
Update on the Kit Laney situation:

Either the contractors hired by the USFS to gather the Laney cattle are too lazy to close gates or the USFS wants to twist the knife a little more.

Anyway, the Laney's saddle horses got loose somehow. The USFS rounded them up, claimed the horses were tresspassing on federal land and offered to give them back to the family.


But it will cost he Laneys $650 per horse to cover all the work the USFS had to do to catch the horses after the USFS turned them loose.

The fedgov must be learning from the ChiComs. When the PRC executes a prisoner they bill the next of kin for the cost of the cartridge used to shoot him in the back of the head.

Regards

J.R.
18 posted on 03/29/2004 6:33:37 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: NMC EXP; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ..
Sorry for the late ping.

Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

19 posted on 03/30/2004 7:31:26 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
BTT!!!!!!
20 posted on 03/31/2004 3:08:55 AM PST by E.G.C.
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