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Free Republic | April 8, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/08/2004 9:19:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: weegee
That DUh link recommends that trolls post threads deliberately to initiate copyright lawsuits against FR.

Wouldn't that be something like conspiracy to commit fraud? If it can be proven that somebody did that, can't they be charged?

-PJ

461 posted on 04/10/2004 10:13:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: weegee
When I sign in to read WashingtonPost online, I use the "example" values (I think that is a woman born in 1965 in a DC zipcode...).

I thought that I was the only one who does that...

-PJ

462 posted on 04/10/2004 10:15:36 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: sport
They [democrats a/k/a socialists and communists] know that Free Republic was a [I would say the] major factor that prevented al gore from stealing the '00 election.

I think the one single thing that lost the election for Gore was WorldNetDaily's 12-part expose of the Gore family influence in Tennessee politics. That led to Tennessee voting for Bush in the election.

Did you notice how WND was refused Capitol press credentials for years after that? It's their way. Dont' engage, silence the opposition.

-PJ

463 posted on 04/10/2004 10:19:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Jim Robinson
BTTT
464 posted on 04/10/2004 10:19:43 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Jim Robinson
This is no surprise. I think the liberal left will try and do all possible to defeat Bush. This is the hand print of the rats.

Excerpts should do just fine. I post occasionally at another web site, this has been their rule for a very long time. We'll all learn to live with it.

465 posted on 04/10/2004 10:25:12 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: weegee
Minor conspiracy theory: Does Lexus/Nexus keep articles or do they link to the news sites? I realize that is a commercial transaction (and licensed arrangement) so it does not share the "fair use" provisions that FR enjoys.

I think you answered your own question. Lexis/Nexis keeps the articles in a database. Their database is huge. I assume they have a license for each newspaper because they sell the end product, "the search," to their customers.

Reading through all 460 plus responses, I wonder if this is partisan left-wing politics, old fashioned big business, or something else.

Some of these newspapers let you look at the old articles for free, but if you want to retrieve an archived one, charge you. It's possible our archiving costs them money in the long run, or will in the future when they switch to a similar system, so they are trying to whack FR out of the game to make more money.

It could also be the left-wing media fighting back against its critics, or sour grapes from complainers in the Left.

466 posted on 04/10/2004 11:40:02 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, folks, the handwriting is on the wall. The complaints are now coming in faster than I can respond to them. John is currently in the process of writing programs to search out and automatically excerpt all existing threads from these sources.

Well, this is the price to pay for becoming so big that everyone sees FR on their radar. Little websites don't have this problem. But if they think that they are immune to this kind of scrutiny once they are big enough for the enemy to see them, they are kidding themselves, LOL.

This reminds me of the stupid Spaniards, whom I have relatives from my mother side, voting for the commies because they thought that it would stop terrorism. You don't stop terrorism by allowing them to exist and flourish. So called conservative sites or "neutral" sites won't stop the main media from going after them if they are big enough. Their stupid idea that FR is generating profit, but they don't because theirs it's just volunteer donations (as if FR forces freepers to donate) shows their utter ignorance and wishful thinking.

467 posted on 04/10/2004 11:57:28 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry said he wasn't at the '71 plot-to-kill meeting, then, he was but voted NO, now he can't recall)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
Some of these newspapers let you look at the old articles for free, but if you want to retrieve an archived one, charge you. It's possible our archiving costs them money in the long run, or will in the future when they switch to a similar system, so they are trying to whack FR out of the game to make more money.

The owners of the newspapers need to realize that there are countless ways to read old papers without paying to see the articles.

Libraries keep old periodicals around. I have to wonder (A) if libraries pay royalties for all microfiche or if any of them privately had old papers photographed and (B) if there are any libraries that have subsciptions to newspapers that permite patrons to use the library's subscription account number to view the archives on the newspaper's website (and if not, why not).

468 posted on 04/11/2004 12:02:37 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Post 467 should read "on" my mother side.
469 posted on 04/11/2004 7:39:09 AM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry said he wasn't at the '71 plot-to-kill meeting, then, he was but voted NO, now he can't recall)
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson
I wonder if the excerpt hyperlinks can be designed so that the visitor to FR who clicks on the link goes to the news source website, but with no popups or adverts shown on their sanitized page. ;-)
470 posted on 04/11/2004 8:00:54 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Jim Robinson; quidnunc; Pokey78; Gritty
JR:
"I think we're gonna have to go to excerpt and link for all news sources very soon unless we have written permission on file."

I'm sure this makes quidnunc, the Emporer of Excerpts, jump for joy!
Am I the only one that finds it very suspicious that all these complaints seem to be popping up at once?

CD

471 posted on 04/14/2004 5:52:16 AM PDT by Constitution Day (FR needs your support... Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
This is nothing more than big business....one example: the Tribune Review is about as conservative a paper a mainstream paper will ever be.

Also, these entities have teams of lawyers that spend their days searching the net for copyright violations. None of them care about the policical leanings of the sites they are looking at, they only care about copyright violations, which will ultimately lead to billable hours.

Its all about the $.

472 posted on 04/14/2004 6:00:25 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: Congressman Billybob
If you haven't seen this thread already, you really need to. There is a lot of legal discussion concerning the 1st Amendment, copyright laws and an apparent attack which is threatening the effectiveness of Free Republic.

Perhaps you have some suggestions to add or maybe some legal resources (you are well connected with some legal groups) which would be helpful?

473 posted on 04/14/2004 9:11:44 AM PDT by Gritty ("A boring and self-important press is not the same as a serious press-Mark Steyn)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, here's a thought. In political science courses in two univiersities I've attended, sometimes copies of articles were used as part of the class assignments. There were apparently no quarrels from the publishers of those articles.

Therefore, the suggestion is to find a friendly professor at a university, who has a monster computer. Then the whole articles might be archived there, to protect the content of FR when the links to the original publishers go dead.

To protect the academic nature of this process, replacing the dead lines to newspapers and magazines could be open only to designated researchers, rather than everyone and anyone on FR. (If a renewed interest cropped up in an old thread with a link that has died, the researcher could go in, and make an additional excerpt that would address the renewed interest.)

This would not be just a gimmic. It could be legitimate and could work.

John / Billybob

474 posted on 04/14/2004 10:26:57 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Note: The articles are owned by the paper. They decide how they can be used. If the paper decided the university could not use the articles, they would have to stop.
475 posted on 04/14/2004 10:28:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY; Jim Robinson
The Lexis-Nexis search discussion raises a second possibility. Conservative politics and research is big business, as witness the best-seller list on recent books, most recently Hannity's book.

When you lookm at the type of work done by Alamo Girl, the best of the best, the research work of FR is truly effective. Should not FR contact Lexis-Nexis and offer to make its work available there? The agreement would require that L-N connect FR's work to the original articles, inside L-N. No money need change hands in either direction.

John / Billybob

476 posted on 04/14/2004 10:45:38 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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