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Toll in fighting put at nearly 800 but relative calm continues in most areas
The Scotsman ^ | Tue 13 Apr 2004 | staff

Posted on 04/12/2004 8:45:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

AT LEAST 700 Iraqi fighters and 70 United States-led coalition soldiers have been killed in clashes this month, the US military said yesterday, confirming it to be the bloodiest period since the end of the war.

The final toll could be much higher, with US Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt admitting the lack of reliable figures for civilian casualties.

The deaths of four more US soldiers were announced yesterday. Three marines were killed "as a result of enemy action" on Sunday in Anbar province, which stretches from west of Baghdad.

A soldier was killed and four hurt when their patrol was hit the same day near Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad.

A convoy of lorries carrying armoured personnel carriers was attacked and burned yesterday in Latifiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad. Witnesses said three people were killed.

In Fallujah, US troops have discovered US military uniforms and suicide explosive belts in an insurgent cache, raising concerns of a new militant tactic of slipping in close to troops and blowing themselves up.

On Sunday, marines found three belts and a carton with "82nd Airborne" stamped on the top that was full of US army desert fatigues, said Lieutenant-Colonel Brennan Byrne, commander of the marines’ 1st Battalion.

Lt-Col Byrne said it was not clear whether an al-Qaeda-trained foreign cell was operating in Fallujah or if local militants were intending to use suicide tactics. Military commanders, however, say several foreign fighters have entered Fallujah and infiltrated the ranks of the insurgents.

The incidents came despite a continuing truce in Fallujah, where the fiercest fighting took place at the beginning of last week. Despite some clashes in the city over Sunday night, Iraqi mediators said they had secured an extension to the truce.

Rafa Hayad al-Issawi, director of the main hospital, said on Sunday he believed more than 600 Iraqis had died in the town.

Samir Rabee, who escaped from Fallujah with relatives, said: "I could see many bodies in the streets. Hundreds were lying in the street. Relatives were too scared to get them."

The Iraqi national security adviser called on Fallujah’s people to hand over insurgents, who killed and mutilated four US civilians on 31 March, as a way to halt the marines’ siege.

"I am calling on Fallujah’s good people ... to hand over these criminals and finish the bloodshed," said Mouwafak al-Rubaie, a former member of the Governing Council who was appointed by US administrators to his position last week.

It also appeared the stand-off with Shiite fighters loyal to the radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr was easing. A Sadr aide said yesterday he has pulled his militia out of government facilities in the three cities they took control of last week.

Police were yesterday back on the streets and in their stations in Najaf, Kufa and Karbala for the first time since the bloody fighting.

Few of the black-garbed gunmen of the al-Mahdi army could be seen in Najaf’s streets, except around its holy shrines in the centre. Militiamen also stayed out of sight in Kufa, and their numbers had dropped around their main stronghold, the main mosque.

Lt-Col Ricardo Sanchez, the top US commander in Iraq, yesterday appeared to contradict reports that the coalition might be looking for a compromise with Sadr.

"The mission of US forces is to kill or capture Muqtada al-Sadr. That is our mission," he said. He added that the military did not know where Sadr was.

Iraqi Shiite political parties have been meeting Sadr representatives to try to find a peaceful way to end the standoff. "Al-Sayed al-Sadr issued instructions for his followers to leave the sites of police and the government," said a lawyer, Murtada al-Janabi, one of the cleric’s representatives in the talks.




TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsadr; fallujah; iraq; vigilantresolve

1 posted on 04/12/2004 8:45:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: 11th_VA
The Iraqi national security adviser called on Fallujah’s people to hand over insurgents, who killed and mutilated four US civilians on 31 March, as a way to halt the marines’ siege.

"I am calling on Fallujah’s good people ... to hand over these criminals and finish the bloodshed," said Mouwafak al-Rubaie, a former member of the Governing Council who was appointed by US administrators to his position last week.

The Marines are getting results.

2 posted on 04/12/2004 8:51:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Notice how all these stories make sure that the Headline says the TOTAL body count --that way headline skimmers come away with the 800 killed number in thier heads.

The LIBERALS want people to associate that number with American Casualties, even though a thorough read shows that the kill ratio is 10:1.

3 posted on 04/12/2004 8:54:37 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I can't see this going on for more than a day or so. I think GWB is meeting Mubarak tomorrow, maybe they need for him to leave before they make the final assult.

You think GWB will be asked about this tomorrow at the press conference?

4 posted on 04/12/2004 8:55:02 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Freedom is not free)
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To: 11th_VA
They will ask anything that will make headlines for their paper or Network.
5 posted on 04/12/2004 8:58:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I turned on Nightline a bit ago - it was all about hostages. Had to turn it off. I don't think (post 911) most Americans are affected by hostages anymore. We lost 3000 people in one day. I'm somewhat numb to the hostage game these days.

I've even got colleagues going over to Iraq all the time - they go there for the money plain and simple. They know the risk, it's voluntary.

6 posted on 04/12/2004 9:02:31 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Freedom is not free)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I think the total will be a lot more, perhaps several thousand more. The cease-fire was called at the pleading of the Iraqi goverment because the local fighters were being slaughtered at each engagement. The tactics used by the US are force multiplied by using precision weapons. The insurgents were literally setting ducks.
7 posted on 04/12/2004 9:04:01 PM PDT by Rik0Shay
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Let the marines finish the job.
8 posted on 04/12/2004 9:24:11 PM PDT by Righty1 (N)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'll bet the Marine snipers have had a field day. Anybody with an AK-47 and a scarf probably didn't last long walking around in the open.
9 posted on 04/12/2004 9:30:38 PM PDT by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I bet Spooky had something to do with why things are so quiet now.


-ccm

10 posted on 04/12/2004 9:36:43 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: 11th_VA
"I don't think (post 911) most Americans are affected by hostages anymore. "

Correct. Saddened at cruelty, but how can one be shocked anymore?

We wont fall for that terrorist cr*p that is for sure.

Ever watch the movie "ransom"?
11 posted on 04/12/2004 9:39:28 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: Reagan is King
I'll bet the Marine snipers have had a field day. Anybody with an AK-47 and a scarf probably didn't last long....

Memo to jihadists: Don't bring an AK-47 to an urban sniper battle with the USMC.

12 posted on 04/12/2004 9:57:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Aimed fire from an AK-armed jihadi might be effective at what, 100 meters? How can these guys ever get that close to Marines, unless Marines want them to.
13 posted on 04/12/2004 10:08:21 PM PDT by SBprone
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To: Reagan is King
I suspect Sadam kept detailed records and photos of everyone in Iraq. Records now in posession of the coalition. That is why they must wear scarves and masks. Their new problem is that wearing a scarf or a mask makes them targets for destruction. It must s*ck to be a jihadist in Fallujah.
14 posted on 04/13/2004 4:55:39 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"The Marines are getting results."

Actually, I think it is Marine snipers, they must have been picking them off like a turkey shoot. That's the only ay the numbers could be so high.

15 posted on 04/13/2004 6:59:14 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I thought 800 was toll-free?
16 posted on 04/13/2004 7:01:31 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Obviously our generals knew insurgents would show up for the fun. I wonder if they baited them to certain places so they could more easily kill them off once the time came.
17 posted on 04/13/2004 7:01:40 AM PDT by biblewonk (The only book worth reading, and reading, and reading.)
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To: biblewonk
That would be a good plan.

Rid the earth of lice.
18 posted on 04/13/2004 8:36:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Travis McGee; NeonKnight
I got this off another article:

Swarms of United States Special Ops snipers equipped with night vision goggles keeping jihadi militia traffic off Fallujah streets while negioiations continue on surrender of Iraqi guerillas and foriegn fighters.

That will definately keep you indoors, lol. Stick your head out in the dark and you just might lose it.

19 posted on 04/13/2004 7:23:28 PM PDT by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Reagan is King
Yep, an AK-47 and an RPG aren't much use in an urban street battle at midnight, against the US military of 2004!
20 posted on 04/13/2004 8:49:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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