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The downing & cover-up of Flight 93: James Sanders on evidence pointing to military firing
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, April 27, 2004 | James Sanders

Posted on 04/26/2004 11:32:46 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Sept. 11, 2001: American Airlines Flight 77 streaked toward Washington, D.C., after being hijacked. NEADS – the North East Air Defense Sector of NORAD, received notice of the hijacking at 9:24 a.m. EST. Six minutes later, two F-16s were airborne from Hampton, Va.

The pilots, however, had not received permission to engage and destroy – just head for Washington, D.C. Seven minutes after wheels up, the American Airlines passenger jet crashed into the Pentagon. This was the third hijacked flight used as a missile to kill and maim that morning. So far, the air defense was playing catch-up.

Two minutes before the F-16s were airborne, the Federal Aviation Administration learned United Airlines Flight 93 had also been hijacked. Approximately 9:35 a.m., the hijacked plane began a left turn to the south near Cleveland, Ohio. By 9:39 a.m., it completed the turn and was aimed at Washington, D.C.

There would be no excuse for not stopping what had become a terrorist missile aimed at the seat of federal government. Plenty of supersonic, armed F-15s and F-16s were now in the air and within minutes of Flight 93, which would remain in the air for another 29 minutes.

Unprecedented political decisions were in the process of being made as Flight 93 and multiple United States F-16 fighters headed for a showdown near Shanksville, a small town in Pennsylvania. In Washington, D.C., an electronic conference was in progress.

The conference focused on Flight 93. A White House staffer would keep coming in with updates on Flight 93's progress towards D.C., according to a Sept. 11, 2002, ABC News program. ABC's Charles Gibson asked what "the target of that airplane might be?" Vice President Dick Cheney responded, "I thought probably White House or Capitol."

Brig. Gen. W. Montague Winfield (U.S. Army) revealed that a "decision was made to try to intercept Flight 93. Gen. Winfield told ABC News that, "... the president had given us permission to shoot down innocent civilian aircraft that threatened Washington, D.C. ..." The order was passed on to the pilots intercepting Flight 93.

"We started receiving reports from the fighters that were heading to, to intercept. The FAA kept us informed with their time estimates as the aircraft got closer and closer," according to Gen. Winfield. Then, the picture presented to the ABC audience begins to blur. It seems that no one knows what happened next.

Gen. Winfield bravely attempted to give an explanation that said nothing: "And at some point, the closure time came and went, and nothing happened. So you can imagine everything was very tense in the NMCC. We had basically lost institutional awareness of where this airplane was."

This terrorist missile in the form of a commercial airplane just seems to fade from institutional memory. One more telling quote comes from the ABC program, by Gen. Winfield: "It was about, you know, 10:03 that the fighters reported that Flight 93 had crashed." The FBI seized Flight 93's CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) and claims the tape stopped at 10:03 a.m.

But NORAD's own timeline says the F-16s were still 11 minutes away from intercept when Flight 93 crashed. And, "Several leading seismologists agree that Flight 93 crashed last Sept. 11 at 10:06:05 a.m., give or take a couple of seconds," according to a Sept. 16, 2002, Philadelphia Daily News article. Three minutes are not accounted for. When the feds begin dissembling as they did in the case of Flight 93, it is reasonable to infer that something occurred during those three minutes they wish to hide from the public.

Perhaps the fog descended on the feds because military aircraft were in the immediate area when Flight 93 crashed. Witness Susan Mcelwain told a reporter she observed a small jet: "It came right over me, I reckon just 40 or 50 feet above my minivan ... it was so low, I ducked instinctively. It was traveling real fast, but hardly made any sound." So from a vantage point of perhaps 50 feet from the airplane, she observed that "it had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side ..." Her statement makes it clear she observed this twin-engine jet on the deck just prior to Flight 93 crashing.

At least five other witnesses to this low-flying jet came forward and told their story to journalists. One witness, less than a half mile from the crash site, observed Flight 93 as it streaked toward the ground and crashed. He then, almost immediately, observed a small, white jet fly low to the ground over the crash scene, circle and immediately leave the area.

Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever – alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 feet. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5,000 feet and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend and get over the crash, assuming the pilot immediately found it. The local fire and rescue found the site within minutes – so the FBI statement is nothing more than poorly thought out disinformation.

Several passengers – perhaps all – put into action an attempt to take back control of the airplane. By 10:03 a.m., they succeeded in fighting their way into the cockpit. It is at this point where the CVR recorded what may be a piercing of the fuselage – a wind or sucking noise.

On Sept. 13, 2001, barely 48 hours after the Twin Towers came down, the Nashua, N.H., Telegraph Newspaper reported that: "FAA air traffic controllers in Nashua have learned through discussions with other controllers that an F-16 fighter stayed in hot pursuit of another hijacked commercial airliner until it crashed in Pennsylvania ..."

John Fleegle, Jim Brant and Carol Delasko were about two-and-a-half miles from what would soon become the Flight 93 crash site. According to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, they "heard engines screaming close overhead. The building shook. We ran out, heard the explosion and saw a fireball mushroom ..."

Delasko, "... said she thought someone had blown up a boat on the lake. 'It just looked like confetti raining down all over the air above the lake.'"

This is probably the single most important observation. Within a second or two after Flight 93 passed over the Indian Lake Marina where Delasko, Brant and Fleegle stood, debris from the stricken plane began to fall into the lake. Lots of debris. Some of it on fire. And it was deposited in a compact area rather than as a continuous trail for some period of time.

Seismologists determined that Flight 93 crashed at 10:06 a.m. and 5 seconds. The 757 was perhaps 20 seconds from crashing when observed by Fleegle, Brant and Delasko. Its cargo area and passenger area had been opened by an explosion. News reports describe a large number of cancelled checks, stock broker documents, pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic and small human parts.

Also adding to the evidence is the fact that a 1,000-pound section of an engine fan was found 6,000 feet from the crash site. So, an external explosive event occurred that separated 1,000 pounds of engine, opened up a hole in the passenger cabin and cargo hold. The power of the explosion – or, more likely, the disintegration of the engine – sucked things out of the fuselage, through the jet engine – shredding seats, passengers and cargo.

When all the evidence is lined up, it is highly consistent with a heat-seeking missile striking Flight 93, probably around 10:05:30. The evidence strongly infers that the terrorists did not fly that jet into the ground, at least not without help from an external event. The evidence becomes compelling when the federal government's factually false propaganda is factored in.

The president gave the vice president authority to issue the order to shoot down Flight 93. Col. Robert Marr, United States Air Force, when interviewed by ABC News remembered getting the orders: "The rules have changed. We could do something about it now." The words he heard included: "We will take lives in the air to save lives on the ground."

Col. Marr ordered his air controllers to intercept Flight 93. At this stage of the story, the Air Force falsely alleges that "the closest fighters are two F-16 pilots on a training mission from Selfridge Air National Guard Base near Detroit." Col. Marr tells ABC News: "The real scary part is that those guys are up there on a training mission. They don't have any weapons on board they can use."

So, of course, the colonel is asked by someone down the chain of command how F-16s with no means of destroying a civilian aircraft are going to accomplish the mission. Colonel Marr's answer: "We're gonna put them as close to that airplane [as] they can get, in view of the cockpit, and convince that guy in that airplane that he needs to land."

The transcript does not indicate anyone at ABC laughing at this point, so presumably it was a serious answer. An F-16 pilot is going eyeball-to-eyeball with a suicide pilot.

At least three F-16s were circling Washington, D.C., with nothing to do but burn fuel and do an aerial tour of the nation's capitol. Each F-16 had six air-to-air missiles and plenty of fuel. Even more fortunate was the fact that Flight 93 was closing on these F-16s at 9-miles per minute, significantly reducing the time required to intercept Flight 93.

Common sense clearly indicates that if armed F-16s are available and in an advantageous position to intercept, these F-16s will be the primary dispatch – whether from the skies over Washington, D.C., or another location never revealed by the military.

Why would the president and his staff not admit the shoot-down? It was an extraordinarily difficult time in which to make political decisions. But it may have been much more than that. There is no reason to believe the CVR did not continue running until the plane crashed.

What if, when the Cockpit Voice Recorder was first played back, the missing three minutes were not missing? What if the CVR recorded the heroic passengers succeeding in taking over the cockpit? They were definitely on the offense when the CVR allegedly stopped. They had penetrated into the cockpit.

What if, in the cruelest of fates, just as these Americans win the fight and begin to fly the plane, a heat-seeking missile slams into an engine?

What if that is what the missing three minutes actually revealed? No president, no administration, would willingly destroy itself by releasing that CVR transcript.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; agntsa; conspiracy; flight93; jamessanders
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1 posted on 04/26/2004 11:32:47 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
This is pure bunkum. How ridiculous.
2 posted on 04/26/2004 11:43:27 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: cgk
*ping*
3 posted on 04/26/2004 11:44:02 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Poundstone
You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, or a nutcase. But I always thought there was a possibility that 93 was shot down. Don't get me wrong, if it was shot down, it was the right choice.

And I also think that if it was shot down, the Government is right to keep that secret. I just hope that 20 years in the future, they declassify the event, if it really happened.
4 posted on 04/26/2004 11:48:02 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: Poundstone
Sorry but 1,000 pounds of a jet engine thrown over 1 mile from a nose dive crash just doesn't happen.
5 posted on 04/26/2004 11:49:03 PM PDT by Bommer (John Kerry = "You mean I can get a Purple Heart for cutting myself shaving?")
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To: JohnHuang2
Would've, Could've, Should've!! We know the planes were hijacked and going to be used as weapons. I believe that Flight 93 was shot down. In fact, a newspaper in the Czech Republic reported this as fact. If this theory is true how would they have landed?

I am more interested in how Islamic terrorists perpetrated the OK City bombing and Flight 800 downing. This is time to keep our eye on the ball, folks!

6 posted on 04/26/2004 11:49:21 PM PDT by gr8eman
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To: JohnHuang2
Thank you for this thread. :)<<me
7 posted on 04/26/2004 11:53:57 PM PDT by stopsign ("What great fortune for government. That people don't think"...Der Fuher... [hummmm...])
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To: Poundstone
True. I can't go into specifics about munitions accountability, but trying to cover up missing missiles involves plenty of people and would even go up to congress.
8 posted on 04/26/2004 11:57:01 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: JohnHuang2
Just a few problems/questions about this old,old conspiracy theory/story.
Can a commercial jet structurally survive a full power nose dive without coming apart?
How could so many eyes and ears cover up a missle strike ?
Would not missle debris be found by the FAA
If it were a missle strike wouldn't the the jet fully loaded with fuel explode in the air ?
Was there time and material available to arm an F-16 within intercept range.
Like most stories of this type I trust more in the fact of the difficulty to cover it up than in the theory itself.
10 posted on 04/27/2004 12:04:55 AM PDT by Freesofar
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To: Bommer
Look at the source: WorldNetDaily. That alone should send off alarms and flashing lights.

Anyway, read the other posts from people pointing out the difficulty of covering up something like a missile strike on an airliner over a populated area.

This "story" is pure idiocy. I advise you to turn to some other issue worth spending some brain power on.
11 posted on 04/27/2004 12:09:35 AM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone
"This "story" is pure idiocy. I advise you to turn to some other issue worth spending some brain power on."

Exactly! This is not the X-Files folks.
12 posted on 04/27/2004 12:13:20 AM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1 (What a Tangled Web We Weave . .when first we practice to deceive!)
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To: Poundstone
This "story" is pure idiocy.

How do you explain the 1000# section of engine found 6000' away from the crash site? If the plane did a nose dive all the pieces would be close to the area of impact.
13 posted on 04/27/2004 12:20:38 AM PDT by lelio
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To: mylsfromhome
Hehehe. :<<me
14 posted on 04/27/2004 12:23:32 AM PDT by stopsign ("What great fortune for government. That people don't think"...Der Fuher... [hummmm...])
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To: Poundstone
" So from a vantage point of perhaps 50 feet from the airplane, she observed that "it had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side .

This chick says she saw this type jet. Unless I'm very mistaken, neither the F16 or the F15 resemble this description.

15 posted on 04/27/2004 12:23:32 AM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: lelio
I'm not an expert on physics by any stretch of the imagination, so how this piece of the engine got there, I have no clue. I do have a question to the people who do know aviation physics.. If a jet that size is doing a nose-dive from X number of feet, can it reach the point where the plane can break up due to stress?
16 posted on 04/27/2004 12:25:53 AM PDT by GOPyouth (De Oppresso Liber! The Tyrant is captured!)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
I don't know about that... I had TT in my ear while trying to read this thread. :)<<me
17 posted on 04/27/2004 12:26:39 AM PDT by stopsign ("What great fortune for government. That people don't think"...Der Fuher... [hummmm...])
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To: lelio
How do you explain the 1000# section of engine found 6000' away from the crash site? If the plane did a nose dive all the pieces would be close to the area of impact

If a piece of the plane broke off due to the stress of the dive, that piece could end up anywhere. It doesnt have to follow the rest of the plane's trajectory to ground. For one thing a piece that breaks off will be falling at a much slower speed than a jet heading full throttle downward.

18 posted on 04/27/2004 12:30:37 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
How is this PURE idiocy? Perhaps unlikely, but a distinct possibility, in my opinion. Regardless of the source, the idea of that plane being shot down has run through nearly everybody's head. Do some folks just not want to consider it as at least a possibility so they simply dismiss it as being ludicrous? Is it fear that the truth may hurt?
I'm almost always the guy laughing at conspiracy theorists, so this is an exception for me to be on this bandwagon. Had that plane continued on its course- in other words had it not been downed as the result of a struggle in the cockpit, or perhaps as this editorial suggests, by being intercepted by the military, everybody on board would have likely perished based on the probability established by the three previous events that Tuesday morning. My question to the devout skeptics (myself in most other cases being included in this group) is this: Had that airplane crashed into the White House, Capitol, or anywhere else where people on the ground would have died as well, and knowing that the government had the power to save those people on the ground by intercepting it over a more rural area, would you be glad that the aircraft was allowed to continue to it target?
19 posted on 04/27/2004 12:32:41 AM PDT by gringo_in_Akita
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To: RealPiedPiper; All
Anybody with half a brain can figure out the pattern on the ground does not support a shoot down.

If the aircraft had been shot down, there would have been miles and miles of debris - and even large chunks of debris. What was the pattern on the ground - A HUGE CRATER. There is no way there would have been a huge crater if the aircraft had been shot down.

Think about the aircraft which was blown up over Lockerbie - if you look at that wreckage, there were very large chunks of the aircraft left .. that was not true of the UA93.

The crater was caused by the plane doing a nose dive into the ground. There was very little debris, and no large chunks of the aircraft. To me .. it's very obvious the aircraft made a nose dive into the ground.
20 posted on 04/27/2004 12:38:27 AM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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