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Posted on 05/08/2004 1:10:53 AM PDT by faithincowboys

XI. SFOR CONTRACTOR INVOLVEMENT

Human Rights Watch did not find direct evidence that SFOR soldiers engaged in trafficking of women and girls in Bosnia and Herzegovina.84 Substantial evidence, however, pointed to involvement by SFOR U.S. civilian contractors, who had more freedom to move around Bosnia and Herzegovina than the SFOR peacekeepers and did not face the same prohibitions on visiting nightclubs.85 The contractors, many of them employed by DynCorp, faced allegations of buying women, transporting trafficked women, and violence against trafficked women. DynCorp issued a statement in January 2002 stating that the corporation "took prompt action to understand and deal with the situation," including termination of contracts of individuals found to be involved in improper behavior.86 DynCorp, a Reston, Virginia-based government contractor, with annual revenues of approximately U.S.$1.9 billion in 2001, provides numerous and varied services to U.S. and foreign governments around the world.87

U.S. SFOR Contractors and Trafficking Internal investigations undertaken by the Criminal Investigation Division (CID) of the U.S. Army uncovered evidence of direct contractor involvement in trafficking within Bosnia and Herzegovina. In a United States Army Criminal Investigation Command report obtained by Human Rights Watch, an investigator documented the following events:

About 1530 [3:30 p.m.], 1 May 2000, a CID source notified... this office, that several U.S. government contractors [approximately five] were involved in white slavery. Source stated that several members of DynCorp, who live off base, purchased women from local brothels and had them live in their residences for sexual and domestic purposes. Source stated that the individuals purchased the women from local "mafia" and when tired of the women would sell them back....88

Four of the five DynCorp employees named in the above investigation as purchasers of the women denied the allegations.89 One, Kevin Warner, confessed. In a sworn statement provided to U.S. Army criminal investigators, Warner admitted that he had purchased a woman from a brothel near the military base:

I have been working for DynCorp for the last six months. During my last six months I have come to know a man we call "DEBELI" which is Bosnian for fat boy. He is the operator of a nightclub by the name of Harley's. Harley's is a nightclub that offers prostitution. Women are sold hourly, nightly, or permanently. I was told by one of the employees at Harley's that Debeli goes to the Republic of [Srpska] to buy women. From speaking with people, I have learned that the women, mostly from Moldavia [Moldova], come to Serbia to find work. Once in Serbia the women fall into a prostitution ring and [are] sold into Bosnia, sold at the Arizona Market.... DEBELI makes an arrangement with the women that they split what they earn 50/50. The women work off their debt to DEBELI until he [has] made the money he paid for them back. Until then, DEBELI keeps their passport. I have come to know DEBELI well to the point that he offered me an UZI to purchase. Around that same time I was approached by one of the women working there, [name withheld]..., who asked me to help her. I wanted to help her get back home to Moldavia so when DEBELI asked if I wanted to purchase the UZI I asked him what it would take to get [name withheld] to stop prostituting. He told me I could have them both [the Uzi and the woman] for 1,600 Deutschmarks [€821/U.S.$740]. Ever since then [name withheld] has lived with me as a housemate. She does not speak much English but knows that she could leave any time she wanted.90

The subsequent investigation yielded evidence suggesting that the women in the clubs were trafficking victims and indicating contractor involvement in illegal activities. The report confirmed that Kevin Werner,91 a DynCorp employee, provided investigators with a pornographic videotape that appeared to document a rape. The CID report stated:

At 1802 [6:02 p.m.], 2 Jun 00, SA Scott Godwin, this office, collected as evidence one 9mm. Uzi, Automatic Sub-machine gun, a 32 round magazine, and a videotape from Werner. At 1815 [6:15 p.m.], 2 Jun 00, SA Godwin and the undersigned reviewed the videotape provided by Werner. A review of the videotape revealed a white male matching the description of Hirtz92 engaging in sexual relations in two separate occasions with a female. The first encounter disclosed the male receiving fellatio from the white female matching Hirtz's description. The second encounter displayed the same male engaging in sexual intercourse with a different white female. During the encounter the male leaves the view of the camera and returns with what seemed to be a bottle of oil. At the time the male returns to the bed, where the female was locate[d], the female sees the bottle and tells the male "no" numerous times. The male gives her a reply and begins to have intercourse with the female again.93

Warner also admitted that he had received a copy of the pornographic videotape from Debeli, copied the tape, and used it to encourage his boss, John Hirtz, to treat him "fairly." Warner alleged that Hirtz discussed layoffs with Debeli, in order to avoid laying off workers who still owed Debeli money.94 In a sworn statement, Hirtz admitted that he had discussed lay-offs with Debeli, whom he knew provided sexual services, "About three weeks ago I came to Harley's and spoke with Debeli. I asked him if anyone owed him money because I anticipated people were going to be laid off, and I did not want them to leave without paying their debt to anyone in Bosnia."95

Warner's testimony that the women could be purchased "permanently" signaled to Human Rights Watch that these women had been trafficked.96 In the final U.S. Army report, however, investigators found probable cause only to conclude:

Werner committed the offenses of illicit possession of a weapon and procuring and pandering when he purchased an UZI, 9 mm, Automatic machine pistol... and the freedom of a Moldavian prostitute for 1,600 Deutschmarks [€821/U.S.$740] from the owner of Harley Davidson's bar." In addition, the report concluded that, "Hirtz committed the offense of procuring and pandering when he solicited sexual intercourse from two female prostitutes who worked at the Harley Davidson's bar.97

The report did not indicate that investigators ever interviewed the Moldovan woman who had been purchased. Nor did investigators properly delve into allegations that Hirtz may have raped one of the women on the videotape or that the women were trafficking victims.98 The investigators apparently did no follow up on allegations made by two DynCorp employees that another employee bought a woman for 13,000 Deutschmarks (€6,667/U.S.$6,018).99

Instead, the CID referred the matter to the local police for investigation of the charges of illegal possession of a weapon and procuring and pandering.100 In the final paragraph, the report stated:

...it was determined that the offense was committed by a civilian who is no longer subject to the [Uniform Code of Military Justice], there are no violations of federal criminal statutes with which the person can be charged, and no other Army interest exists. On 17 Jun 00, this Report of Investigation was referred to the Zivinice Police Department... who assumed jurisdiction in this investigation.101

But local police denied to Human Rights Watch that they had authority to arrest, detain, or prosecute SFOR contractors for crimes committed in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The chief of police in Zivinice, a village near Tuzla, told investigators:

Two times DynCorp employees were sent home. Maybe four or six were sent home. The girls talked about Kevin, and they have Kevin on video. One of the guys made porno movies with two of the women. It is a crime in Bosnia. We couldn't bring charges against him under Annex IA of Dayton. That Annex states that people who are in the IC [international community] mission are not under our jurisdiction. They will be prosecuted in their own countries. When we find a foreigner is involved, this is the biggest problem for us. We can't do anything against them-they are above the law. On the video [filmed outside the nightclubs], the number plates [have the letters] CP. These are the contractors' jeeps. I'd like someone to help with this. You can't do anything about this. If we could prioritize, this is one of our main problems.102

Not only did the local police believe that they lacked jurisdiction in the case, but Warner and Hertz's quick return to the United States rendered prosecution in Bosnia and Herzegovina impossible.103

Several weeks later, it appeared that local police and IPTF found the woman Kevin Warner had purchased. According to an IPTF human rights officer in Tuzla who interviewed the woman:

One girl was sold, and her last owner was Kevin. He bought her for himself. She woke up with a new toy on her pillow and 20 [Deutschmarks] each day. She lived with him like a prostitute. He was involved in some kind of weapons case-there was suspicion involved with weapons trading, and he left. He left her here, and the crime department discovered her. She gave information about the police involved in organized crime.104

And according to the IPTF official incident report on her case:

She was promised a job in Italy as a waitress. She was sold the first time in Hungary and then in Yugoslavia. Case recommended for closure. No further meetings with her planned. We do not expect any development of the case. Her last owner was Kevin, she stayed with him in Dubrave in a private house. In all place[s] she was force[d] to do sexual services with paid clients but usually she got no money. Kevin gave her passport back before he left. [The victim stated]: "Kevin paid 3000 DM [€1,538/U.S.$1,388] for me."105

DynCorp employees faced accusations that they had purchased women and their passports from local brothels in Bosnia and Herzegovina long before the repatriation of Warner and Hertz. In 1999, DynCorp repatriated five employees from SFOR installations after allegations emerged that they had purchased women. Joseph Becker, a DynCorp manager, stated that the contractors were accused in 1999 of "buying girls out from... slavery with the intention of marriage."106 In a deposition taken on February 21, 2001 he defended the men for purchasing the women's freedom:

I had an opportunity to interview those people, and, without exception, all of them indicated that they would do it again, and they were in tears.... I had an opportunity to go [on] the world-wide web-I typed in "bought from slavery" and had 69,000 hits, and actually the history, in the history of our country and the history of the civilized world, the practice of buying people who you feel are being mistreated, beaten[] or used as slaves, take them and marry them produced sixty-over 69,000 hits... Those four individuals that I talked to were sure that that was the case [that purchasing the women was a morally correct thing to do].... They made a personal sacrifice to do what they thought was right.107

But Ben Johnston, a former employee at DynCorp, reported a completely different interpretation of the facts. In a deposition given under oath in connection with a wrongful termination lawsuit filed against DynCorp by Johnston (see below), he stated:

At that time I heard you could purchase women, that they knew a way... they falsified their passports or that they would get them falsified, or that you could get basically any age girl you wanted, the name of the clubs to get them at, just that type of thing... a lot of people said you can buy a woman and how good it is to have a sex slave at home.108

According to the testimony given by Johnston in his deposition, a fellow employee, Richard Ward, told him that Ward could purchase a woman for him. Johnston stated, "He says he'll get me one for-you can have one for 100 marks [€51/U.S.$46] a night or buy them for two or three thousand marks [€1,026 to €1,538/U.S.$925 to U.S.$1,388]. They can be yours, and they can be your `hoes'."109

Johnson stated under oath that DynCorp turned a blind eye to the involvement of DynCorp personnel in these activities.110

Richard Ward's name also appeared in confidential UNMIBH reports on trafficking. In a February 2001 memorandum obtained by Human Rights Watch, Maxwell Woodford, the IPTF gender officer in Sarajevo, urged reinvigoration of a stalled 1999 investigation of two local police officers who fraudulently obtained a visa "to legitimize the stay of a Mold[ovan] woman... purchased from a nightclub owner by an American civilian SFOR employee."111 Richard Ward, named as the U.S. SFOR employee in the memorandum, allegedly paid 300 Deutschmarks (€154/U.S.$138) to someone who claimed to be a police officer in order to procure the document for his Moldovan girlfriend, purchased from the nightclub.112 Only in 2001, two years later, did the two police officers face criminal charges, which were eventually dropped.113

In all, Johnston named eight DynCorp staff members who allegedly admitted to him that they had purchased women and girls in 1999 and 2000. And although five employees went home after the U.S. Army CID intervened in 1999, Johnston alleged that DynCorp employees continued to purchase women. Johnston stated that although some employees faced repatriation, "There was nothing said at work about `you couldn't do it'... so it just continues. It continued and continued."114

Johnston made the allegations outlined above in a statement filed with CID in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The U.S. Army placed him in protective custody, and he left several days later. DynCorp laid him off, refused to pay for his plane ticket back to the United States, and refused to ship his tools home. According to his official letter of discharge from DynCorp, Johnston committed the violation of "misconduct, violation of standards and conditions of employment and employment agreement" by bringing "discredit to the Company and the U.S. Army while working in Tuzla, Bosnia and Herzegovina."115 Local police in Zivinice confirmed that Johnston had assisted with the investigation.116 DynCorp settled the case with Johnston for an undisclosed sum in August 2002.

The practice of quickly repatriating contract employees severely hampered local investigations and attempts to prosecute traffickers. One IPTF human rights officer told Human Rights Watch of a case in which local authorities requested that an American, who had been caught having sexual intercourse with one of the women during a March 2001 raid of the "Istanbul" nightclub, serve as a witness against the owner of the club. When the investigative judge was ready to interview him at 2:00 p.m. the next day, the American had already departed for Croatia.117 It was unclear whether this employee worked for DynCorp or another contractor. In a March 2002 letter to Human Rights Watch, DynCorp denied that it had transferred any individuals back to the United States to avoid prosecution.118

A May 2000 UNMIBH report on trafficking also highlighted another case of an SFOR contractor, whose nationality and employer could not be determined by Human Rights Watch and who purchased two women.119 In December 1999, local police found a Romanian woman and a Moldovan woman locked inside the apartment of an SFOR civilian contractor in Vlasenica. The two, one of whom was a girl of sixteen, claimed that they were held against their will and told local police that the SFOR contractor had paid a bar owner 7,000 Deutschmarks (€3,590/U.S.$3,240) to purchase them.120 NATO declined to waive his immunity, and the man left Bosnia and Herzegovina a few days later. According to the UNMIBH report, his employer relieved him of his duties for misconduct. 121

Impunity for SFOR Contractors Engaged in Trafficking-Related Crimes Human Rights Watch's research showed, and DynCorp confirmed, that none of the contractors accused of trafficking-related crimes faced prosecution in the United States.122 Human Rights Watch submitted multiple freedom of information act (FOIA) requests in an attempt to track down any cases brought against contractors for trafficking-related offenses.123 A letter received from the U.S. Department of Justice Criminal Division stated, "We have conducted a search of the appropriate indices to Criminal Division records and have located no records responsive to your request."124 The U.S. Department of Defense also confirmed that no cases had been prosecuted under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act as of October 2002 due to the failure to issue regulations implementing the law.125

DynCorp and Corporate Responsibility Human Rights Watch believes that corporations must have adequate safeguards in place to prevent employees from engaging in human rights abuses. DynCorp's personnel have participated in human rights violations and the company has not done enough to ensure that adequate safeguards are in place to prevent such activities. DynCorp has a code of conduct for its personnel.126 However, the code appears to be insufficiently enforced given the fact that allegations of purchase of women and girls by DynCorp employees reemerged in 2000, just one year after the repatriations of several employees for engaging in the same activity. These facts suggest that the changes and internal controls that the corporation adopted were insufficient. DynCorp has a responsibility to enforce its own code of conduct and to ensure that its employees do not engage in the trafficking of human beings.

84 Human Rights Watch learned of a 1999 case of trafficking by a Russian soldier from IPTF internal reports and from the IPTF monitor who investigated the case and interviewed the women. According to the internal report, a Russian SFOR soldier named Sasha transported two Ukrainian women to Bosnia and Herzegovina and sold them to the owner of the nightclub "CAT." Human Rights Watch interview, Dawn White, IPTF monitor, March 19, 1999. IPTF Incident Report, 99/DOB/045, March 10, 1999, on file with Human Rights Watch.

85 Human Rights Watch takes no position on prostitution per se. However, when SFOR soldiers and contractors engage in direct activities related to trafficking-such as purchasing women for personal use-these activities violate both domestic and international human rights protections.

86 "Statement by DynCorp in Response to the Current Website and the Anticipated Release of the February 4, 2002 Issue of Insight Magazine," on file with Human Rights Watch. Many of the DynCorp employees on military contracts are former U.S. military direct employees. DynCorp contractors provide logistical support for the U.S. military bases in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

87 DynCorp 2001 Annual Report, http://www.dyncorp.com/Financial/annual/01report/intro.htm (retrieved November 11, 2002).

88 United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, "Agents Investigation Report," ROI Number 0075-00-CID597-49891, p. 1.

89 Ibid.

90 United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, "Sworn Statement," File number 0065-00CID597, Tuzla, Bosnia and Herzegovina, June 2, 2000, on file with Human Rights Watch. According to an internal DynCorp e-mail obtained by Human Rights Watch, investigators found one of the women in the house of one employee. This was not reflected in the official U.S. Army report. E-mail correspondence from Darrin Mills, site supervisor, to Chris DiGesualdo, DynCorp, June 4, 2000, on file with Human Rights Watch.

91 In documents relating to the CID investigation and the lawsuit against DynCorp, Warner is spelled both with an "e" (Werner) and with an "a" (Warner). Human Rights Watch quotes the spelling as given in each of the relevant documents.

92 John Hirtz worked as the site supervisor for DynCorp in the U.S. military Comanche Base, Bosnia and Herzegovina. His name is spelled "Hertz" in other documents related to this case.

93 United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, "Agents Investigation Report," ROI Number 0075-00-CID597-49891, p. 3.

94 United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, "Sworn Statement," File number 0065-00CID597, Tuzla, Bosnia and Herzegovina, June 2, 2000, on file with Human Rights Watch.

95 United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, "Sworn Statement: John David Hirtz," File number 0065-00-CID597, Tuzla, June 2, 2000, on file with Human Rights Watch.

96 United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, "Sworn Statement [of Kevin Warner]," File number 0065-00CID597, Tuzla, Bosnia and Herzegovina, June 2, 2000, on file with Human Rights Watch.

97 Department of the Army, U.S. Army Criminal Investigations Command, 48th MP Detachment (CID), Eagle Base, Bosnia and Herzegovina, "CID Report of Investigation," p. 1, on file with Human Rights Watch.

98 The CID report included a transcript of Hirtz's sworn statement. The investigator questioned Hirtz about the apparent nonconsensual sexual intercourse in the videotape. The transcript reads: Q: Did you have sexual intercourse with the second woman on the tape? A: Yes. Q: Did you have intercourse with the second woman after she said "no" to you? A: I don't recall her saying that. I don't think it was her saying no. Q: According to what you witnessed on the videotape played for you in which you were having sexual intercourse with the second woman. Did you have sexual intercourse with the second woman after she said "no" to you? A: Yes. Q: Did you know it was being videotaped? A: I set it up. Q: Did you know it is wrong to force yourself upon someone without their consent? A: Yes.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bosnia; doublestandard; dyncorp; herzegovina; hillarylies; humanrights; iraqipow; mediabias; nocbs; nohearings; nooutrage; sfor
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Why didn't CBS cover this, this was videotape of a rape. That would have been most unfortunate to uncover sex scandals, rape and a prostitution ring during the Clinton Presidency-- the media spiked the story, the Congress turned a blind eye-- no huffing and posturing on this story . Hillary knew about this--why didn't she say anything. The allegation is that many of the sex slaves were just "girls". Hello, didn't they blow up the Branch Davidian for that.
1 posted on 05/08/2004 1:10:54 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: faithincowboys
The CID (Criminal Investigations Division of the U.S. Army)report included a transcript of Hirtz's sworn statement. The investigator questioned Hirtz about the apparent nonconsensual sexual intercourse in the videotape. The transcript reads: Q: Did you have sexual intercourse with the second woman on the tape? A: Yes. Q: Did you have intercourse with the second woman after she said "no" to you? A: I don't recall her saying that. I don't think it was her saying no. Q: According to what you witnessed on the videotape played for you in which you were having sexual intercourse with the second woman. Did you have sexual intercourse with the second woman after she said "no" to you? A: Yes. Q: Did you know it was being videotaped? A: I set it up. Q: Did you know it is wrong to force yourself upon someone without their consent? A: Yes.

2 posted on 05/08/2004 1:22:55 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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Were there calls for Madeline Albright's resignation when we "accidently" bombed the Communist Chinese embassy in Kosovo?

People died in that, but the Chinese did not show outrage for long. The Chicoms understood implicity that Clinton was on their side. Just as our media did.
3 posted on 05/08/2004 2:29:50 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (The War on Terror is mere collateral damage to the Democrats' War on Bush.)
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To: Tall_Texan
YEP, NUKE TRANSFERS ARE A SURE SIGN OF FRIENDSHIP.

CLINTON'S WHOLE CABINET (ESP THOSE IN THE FOREIGN POLICY SHOP) WERE SUCH FECKLESS BOZOS. MADDIE HALFBRIGHT DOESN'T HAVE THE SMARTS TO BE THE SEC OF STATE OF VERMONT LET ALONE AMERICA--IT'S BAFFLING.

THESE PEOPLE ARE SHAMELESS AND UTTERLY EMBARRASSING.
4 posted on 05/08/2004 2:37:49 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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Excellent points. Thank you.

Seems that there remains an assumption that the "establishment" media is objective and un-biased ... Um, ... wrong!!!

As Sgt. Joe Friday would say "Just the facts ..." but today the spin-cycle trumps all - especially regarding anything that might "touch" Bubba's administration and his so-called "legacy.

5 posted on 05/08/2004 2:56:35 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: faithincowboys
Thanks.
6 posted on 05/08/2004 3:03:40 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: faithincowboys
Thanks for finding and posting this - I was thinking last night that such "scandals" have received far LESS "outrage" and "condemnation" from our media in the past. It simply shows [again] the complete and total bias against this administration. Too bad the sheeple will NEVER be informed . . .
7 posted on 05/08/2004 3:16:56 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: faithincowboys
And where is the apology from the Clinton's? I demand one!
From CBS to.
8 posted on 05/08/2004 3:27:03 AM PDT by trustandobey
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To: faithincowboys
The difference between sex slaves and Branch Davidians is the Davidians were Biblical Christians.

During the term of the rapist president, Christians were targeted. Churches were padlocked, innocent Christian children, women and men were murdered in cold blood, and the shooters were awarded medals - while Congress and the American Conference of Catholic Bishops, and every other Christian and Jewish denomination and organization looked on in silence.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. -- Matthew 7:16

9 posted on 05/08/2004 3:37:01 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: faithincowboys
Thanks for posting this; I would encourage everyone to go to the start of this report:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/bosnia/index.htm#TopOfPage


Obviously, you may never get it all read, but at least you'll know about it. This, like many other atrocities of the Clinton era, has been buried and will not be uncovered.
10 posted on 05/08/2004 4:52:14 AM PDT by Maria S ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."George W. Bush 1/20/01)
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To: faithincowboys
I can hear Carville now.

"Repeat after me.... it don't matter, it don't matter, it don't matter. It don't matter".

11 posted on 05/08/2004 5:24:04 AM PDT by b4its2late (Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: freeangel
Glad I could help-- it just shows that the media and the Left report what they want. In 99 and 2000 (and I'm sure there were indications of this sort of thing) during Kosovo, post Monica (sex scandal) and in the run up to the election, there was no will on the part of the Leftist media, Clintoon & Clintoon, Gore or the hacks in Congress to investigate this-- there was a total cover up. I'm not saying it was their fault what happened, but I ask why they blame Bush for the actions of a few in Iraq.

It simply is unfair and unbelievable how outrageous the un-American Left (in Gov't and in the media) has behaved.
12 posted on 05/08/2004 9:22:35 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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I am sure there were indications of this sort of thing throughout the entire 90s and nothing was said to the American people. They were engaged in white slavery and rape of young women and girls-- that's a far cry from getting too rough in a prison setting with stone cold killers--military aged men who were part of an enemy army.

I don't condone what the MPs in that prison did, but I think Bush and Rumsfeld are not responsible one iota for it and the politicization of the torture photos is just grotesque.
13 posted on 05/08/2004 9:26:43 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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Of course, that's who these people are--they never ever hold themselves up to the standards they force on their enemies. These people are really disgraceful, and the media elites who aid them in their shenanigans are even worse.
14 posted on 05/08/2004 9:28:47 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: faithincowboys
I don't condone what the MPs in that prison did, but I think Bush and Rumsfeld are not responsible one iota for it and the politicization of the torture photos is just grotesque.

John F. Kerry Holds William Jefferson Clinton Responsible for a Rape. (Kerry Hypocrisy Vanity)

15 posted on 05/08/2004 9:29:59 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
BTTT for later
16 posted on 05/08/2004 9:35:46 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Maria S
I'm glad I could pass it on to people who can put it to good use.
17 posted on 05/08/2004 9:43:03 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Robert Drobot
Very accurate. Do you remember anybody resigning from Waco? I sure as Hell don't. Clintoon took zero responsibility for that and he had a lot more to do with that than Bush or Rummy had to do with the torture photos.

I guess pointing to a naked arab man's penis is too much, but incinerating nearly a hundred Christians is acceptable. It boggles the mind what the media and the Left get away with--it really does.
18 posted on 05/08/2004 9:45:45 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: trustandobey
These people don't do apologies, the only think they do is attack.
19 posted on 05/08/2004 9:46:19 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Glad to do it! Make good use of it.
20 posted on 05/08/2004 9:47:04 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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