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NY'ER: Photos show dog attacking a naked Iraqi detainee
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Posted on 05/09/2004 7:37:15 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

NY'ER: Photos show dog attacking a naked Iraqi detainee
Sun May 09 2004 08:43:02 ET

In “Chain of Command,” in the May 17, 2004, issue of The New Yorker, Seymour M. Hersh describes new photos he has obtained of a dog attacking a naked Iraqi detainee at Abu Ghraib prison on December 12, 2003. The photos, which had been in the possession of a member of the 320th Military Police Battalion, show the Iraqi with his hands clasped behind his back, “leaning against the door to a cell, contorted with terror, as the dogs bark a few feet away,” Hersh reports. In another photo, taken a few minutes later, “the Iraqi is lying on the ground, writhing in pain, with a soldier sitting on top of him, knee pressed to his back. Blood is streaming from the inmate’s leg.” Retired Major General Charles Hines, who was commandant of the Army’s military police school during a twenty-eight year career in military-law enforcement, tells Hersh, “I would never have authorized it for interrogating or coercing prisoners. If I had, I’d have been put in jail or kicked out of the Army.”

• Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Marine General Peter Pace, Vice-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, insisted last week that the investigation into Abu Ghraib had moved routinely through the chain of command, but retired and active-duty officers and Pentagon officials say that the “the system had not worked,” Hersh reports. “Knowledge of the investigation—and especially its politically toxic photographs—had been severely, and unusually, restricted.” One former intelligence official says, “Everybody I’ve talked to said, ‘We just didn’t know’—not even in the J.C.S.” Noting that he was referring to senior officials whom such allegations would normally reach, the official adds, “I haven’t talked to anybody on the inside who knew—nowhere.” A senior Pentagon official says that many senior generals believe that, along with the civilians in Rumsfeld’s office, General Ricardo Sanchez and General John Abizaid, who is in charge of Central Command, in Tampa, Florida, had done their best to keep the issue quiet in the first months of the year. “You’ve got to match actions, or nonaction, with interests. What is the motive for not being forthcoming? They foresaw major diplomatic problems.”

• Hersh also reveals that it was Major General Geoffrey Miller, the new head of prison operations in Iraq, who first recommended, when he was commander of the task force in charge of the prison at Guantanamo, that Army prisons “be geared, first and foremost, to interrogations and the gathering of information needed for the war effort.” In his report, Miller wrote that “detention operations must act as an enabler for interrogation ... to provide a safe, secure, and humane environment that supports the expeditious collection of intelligence.” General Sanchez issued the order that gave the 205th Military Intelligence Brigade tactical control over the Abu Ghraib prison. “By placing military intelligence operatives in control instead [of military police], Miller’s recommendations and Sanchez’s change in policy undoubtedly played a role in the abuses at Abu Ghraib,” Hersh writes.

• “Investigators have become increasingly concerned with the role played not only by military and intelligence officials but also by C.I.A. agents and private-contract employees,” Hersh reports. The C.I.A. has acknowledged that its Inspector General is investigating abuses at Abu Ghraib, including the death of a prisoner. One source familiar with one of the unfolding investigations tells Hersh that the victim was the man whose photograph, which shows his battered body packed in ice, has circulated around the world. Military-intelligence personnel assigned to Abu Ghraib reportedly wore unmarked uniforms or civilian clothes while on duty. “You couldn’t tell them apart,” the person familiar with the investigation says. “The blurring of identities,” Hersh writes, “meant that it was impossible for the prisoners, or, significantly, the military policemen on duty, to know who was doing what to whom.”

• A company captain in a military police unit in Baghdad tells Hersh that not everyone went along with military-intelligence requests. He says he was approached by a junior intelligence officer who requested that his M.P.s keep a group of detainees awake around the clock until they began talking. He said no. “The M. I. commander comes to me and says, ‘What is the problem? We’re stressed, and all we are asking you to do is to keep them awake.’ I ask, ‘How? You’ve received training on that, but my soldiers don’t know how to do it.’ And when you ask an eighteen-year-old kid to keep someone awake, and he doesn’t know how to do it, he’s going to get creative.” The M.I. commander took the question to the captain’s commander, who backed him up. In the end, the captain says, “It’s all about people. The M.P.s at Abu Ghraib were failed by their commanders—both low-ranking and high. The system is broken—no doubt about it. But the Army is made up of people, and we’ve got to depend on them to do the right thing.”

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Ouch.
1 posted on 05/09/2004 7:37:15 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
Oh no a dog is barking at them. These guys are bigger wimps than I thought.
2 posted on 05/09/2004 7:40:30 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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Am I mistaken, or wouldn't terrorist be a more apt word to use than detainee or prisoner?
3 posted on 05/09/2004 7:44:01 AM PDT by jla (http://hillarytalks.blogspot.com)
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To: Happy2BMe

4 posted on 05/09/2004 7:44:47 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: jla
Am I mistaken, or wouldn't terrorist be a more apt word to use than detainee or prisoner?

Or maybe a prisoner who does not want to admit that he is a terrorist.

5 posted on 05/09/2004 7:45:24 AM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: jla; B4Ranch; MeekOneGOP; dennisw
Iraq Prisons Chief Says Abu Ghraib To Remain Open

VOA News
May 09, 2004


   

U.S. Major General Geoffrey Miller, commander of U.S.-run prisons in Iraq, talks to journalists in the prison of Abu Ghraib, outside Baghdad, Iraq. Photo Anja Niedringhaus/AFP/Getty Images

The head of U.S.-run prisons in Iraq says the military will continue operating the Baghdad prison where abuse of detainees by American soldiers recently became public.

Major General Geoffrey Miller said Saturday there are no immediate plans to shut down Abu Ghraib prison, despite calls by some politicians in the United States to destroy the facility.

General Miller said American soldiers will, in the future, prevent all abuses and protect the rights of detainees at American-run prisons.

His remarks came as one of the the soldiers accused of detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib told the Washington Post newspaper about the practices for which she and five other soldiers now face charges.

In excerpts of an e-mail to the Post, appearing in Saturday's edition of the newspaper, Specialist Sabrina Harman said her unit was assigned, in her words, to "keep [detainees] awake, make it hell so they would talk."

In his weekly radio address, Saturday, President Bush said only a small number of U.S. soldiers took part in the abuse and that those who did will be punished.

In the Democratic radio response to Mr. Bush, retired General Wesley Clark said the United States must make amends, in part by dismantling Abu Ghraib.

On Friday, the International Committee of the Red Cross said it had concerns about the treatment of detainees at coalition prisons in Iraq, including Abu Ghraib, as early as last year. The group said it repeatedly made these concerns known to coalition forces.


6 posted on 05/09/2004 7:45:58 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: TomGuy; devolve; Prime Choice; counterpunch; Registered
The Dems will capitalize on this to the very last drop of G.I. blood > > if they can get away with it.

ABC, CBS, CNN, PBS, NPR, PBS, and NBC will be delighted to assist . .

7 posted on 05/09/2004 7:49:08 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: jla
Terrified Terrorist perhaps?
8 posted on 05/09/2004 7:49:24 AM PDT by Camel Joe (Proud Uncle of a Fine Young Marine)
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To: jla
Some people tend to forget why these "inmates" are there in the first place; they probably blew the heads off a few American troops with their roadside bombs.

They should remain cowering and terrified.

9 posted on 05/09/2004 7:49:50 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Because Democrats are liars, they assume Republicans are too...)
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To: Happy2BMe
I wonder if after the dog nipped at his heels he may have spilled the beans on a couple of his fellow terriorists? This is becoming stupid, it's an attempt by the left-wing hate mongers to make us look weak and George Bush weaker. Maybe hillary's October surprise is coming early? God bless America, God bless George W. Bush.
10 posted on 05/09/2004 7:54:00 AM PDT by Lucky2 ( 2004 is the year the Yankees will win the World Series and GWB will be re-elected!)
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To: ErnBatavia
These photos are more damaging to our war effort than any road-side bomb. I'm so disgusted by this, and the Dems reaction, that I could spit.
11 posted on 05/09/2004 7:54:23 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
It's an election year. It gives EVERYONE in the world the "right" to rag on George Bush until the election. I just pray that we can withstand this.
12 posted on 05/09/2004 7:57:56 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (Must get moose and squirrel ... B. Badanov)
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To: TomGuy
Notice the leftist press headline says "while being ATTACKED by a dog".....what a crock. Dog never touched them. I was hazed worse than this in college fraternity.
I am so sick of this propaganda. The POS who took pictures and circulated them is the only one who needs to be kicked out of the service and shot.
13 posted on 05/09/2004 7:59:48 AM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: BunnySlippers
It doesn't make a diffrence whether the "abuse" of the detainees was justified or not, this has turned into a P.R. nightmare for G.W. Bush and makes the jobs of the troops out there even more difficult. Shame on them for giving the Dems and John Kerry ammunition to use against George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and company.
15 posted on 05/09/2004 8:06:11 AM PDT by AngieGOP
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Being from Canada, I can't say how disturbed I am at the number of people who react to the torture of prisoners by saying "Oh, gee, I hope they don't use this as ammunition against our wonderful leader."

Holy... that's just disturbing. Seriously disturbing. It frightens me to know people can be that callous and disregard basic human rights in such a way, in a nation right beside mine and that I have so many friends in.
16 posted on 05/09/2004 8:11:14 AM PDT by dys4iK
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To: CzarNicky
Some of this 'Torture' are valid interrogation tactics.. I fear that in all of this overreaction we may have lost several valid tools in the WOT. I love how every time the libs win so do the terrorists.
17 posted on 05/09/2004 8:13:33 AM PDT by max_rpf
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To: dys4iK
Did you speak out when civillian contractors were murdered, their bodies desecrated, burned and hung from a bridge while people danced? I guess not.
18 posted on 05/09/2004 8:14:04 AM PDT by AngieGOP
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To: dys4iK
You're buying into the Dem profile of Bush . . exactly what they want.
19 posted on 05/09/2004 8:14:10 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: dys4iK
Welcome to Free Republic dys.
20 posted on 05/09/2004 8:15:20 AM PDT by JOE6PAK ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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