[tpaine]

The claim by "cultural conservatives" that morals are somehow universal is beyond being just plain wrong,...
Some moral values are consistent among cultures, such as not committing murder, theft, assault, or fraud. They can better be described as "ethics".

"Moral" considerations involving eating, drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc. vary from culture to culture.

In a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of those.
-Eric

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Aquinasfan wrote:
This looks like a contradiction to me.
All you've done is called "morals," "ethics." In reality, there is no difference.

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You ignored his explanation of his view on ethics vs morals.
-- Hardly an ethical way to make a rebuttal, is it?
258 tpaine

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Certainly not an immoral method.
Erocc does not share the concept of morality which was prevalent in this country in 1954.
He's part of the problem PJB discusses.
329 9not

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I was 18 in '54, and considered the prevailing 'morality' highly hypocritical.
Many of the "moral laws" involving drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc, were roundly ignored by most anyone that had a choice.

You're remembering a moral america that never existed.
494 tpaine

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AquinasFan looked up the words "morals" and "ethics."
It would benefit you to do the same.
499 -9not-

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At #329, definitions weren't your point.

Can you comment on my rebuttal, or do you insist upon playing idiotic wordgames?

Can you agree that in a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of 'laws on sin'?

[ninenot]

I can agree that in ANY nation, the Government's most important interest is in promoting and maintaining right order.

It so happens that such interest is precisely congruent with the citizens' interests.

We must part if you wish to maintain that morality is NOT a part of right order--and if you wish to argue that one can 'unweave' the moral fabric successfully (for example, arguing that prostitution is not immoral.)