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For Fox News,Ad-Sales Market Isn't Fair, Balanced
WSJ ^ | 05/20/04 | JULIA ANGWIN

Posted on 05/20/2004 9:16:49 AM PDT by Pikamax

For Fox News, Ad-Sales Market Isn't Fair, Balanced

Despite Ratings Lead, Network Has Hard Time Winning Top Rates for Its Shows By JULIA ANGWIN Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL May 20, 2004; Page A1

NEW YORK -- Paul Rittenberg, head of advertising sales for the Fox News Channel, got on the phone recently to counter a lowball offer. Chrysler wanted to buy nearly $2 million of commercials -- but at a cut-rate price of $8 per thousand viewers.

Mr. Rittenberg pushed for $11.98, almost a dollar below his original asking price. Chrysler turned him down. As he hung up the phone, Mr. Rittenberg said nervously, "I hope CNN didn't get it."

The haggling illustrates a frustrating paradox for Fox News. No longer a struggling upstart, it is beating Time Warner Inc.'s Cable News Network handily in the ratings. But in the peculiar market for television advertising, where the usual rules of supply and demand don't always apply, it has trouble commanding the same rates as its rival.

Attracting a large audience can often let a TV show charge higher rates, because advertisers place a premium on the ability to reach a large number of people at one time. That's why giant events like the Super Bowl or the final episode of "Friends" command such high rates.

But a large audience is not a guarantee of garnering premium prices. Media buyers say they generally pay Fox News ad rates that are about 75% to 80% of what they pay CNN -- even though CNN has only about half the audience of Fox News. And for all the inroads Fox News has made as a news organization, Mr. Rittenberg has to contend with advertisers who use CNN as a yardstick of quality.

Behind the disparity in pricing and perception is a vast TV marketplace guided by its own unusual dynamics. Unlike the stock market, where prices fluctuate minute by minute, the bulk of television ads are sold once a year during a period, starting this week, called the "upfront." The starting point for upfront negotiations is last year's price.

Since Fox News sold its ads for extremely low prices during its early years, and can boost them only incrementally each year, it must negotiate from a lower starting point than CNN. Similarly, CNN is negotiating from the high prices it established during its heyday as the only 24-hour news channel. Although Mr. Rittenberg has whittled down the price gap tremendously, he admits he hasn't been able to close it altogether. He says he hopes to reach parity during this year's upfront negotiations.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; advertising; ccrm; cnn; conservativebashing; doublestandard; fox; foxbashing; liberalelites; media; mediabias; orwelliancnnairport; timelifewarnercnn
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1 posted on 05/20/2004 9:16:51 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
Simply an indication of the leftward slant in most boardrooms.

The dirty little secret of corporate life is that these guys aren't raving republicans as the Dems would like to have us believe. Most upper management graduated from Ivy league style campuses, and the result is they're far more left than many people believe.

It's not the "big businesses" that support republicans (and buy ads on CNN). It's the small businesses.

2 posted on 05/20/2004 9:22:12 AM PDT by narby (Iraq prison abuse looks like Frat house hazing to me.)
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To: Pikamax

There seems to be a problem in perception at fox.

I would think that if you can offer MORE of a BETTER product at a LOWER cost ......

What is wrong with accepting a 'low-ball' price (after some haggling) FOX would get more and more of the advertising dollars. Could it be that FOX is in collusion with the slime-ball 'alphabet' betworks to maintain price-fixing?

That would be the only reason to flatly refuse an offer...other than losing money on a deal of course.


3 posted on 05/20/2004 9:22:42 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: steplock

Advertisers on CNN are not reaching me at all. I haven't watched it sing my cable got FNC.


4 posted on 05/20/2004 9:23:39 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance seem to have the least for my views.)
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To: GOP_Proud

sing = since


5 posted on 05/20/2004 9:24:09 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance seem to have the least for my views.)
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Dear P: Very interesting post. The audience size is obviously one of the measures for ad pricing, but wouldn't the amount of product or service sold be a factor as well. For instance, if CNN sells more cars per hour of advertising than Fox, it could charge higher. Doesn't someone somewhere keep track of those things for major advertisers?


6 posted on 05/20/2004 9:24:30 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: GOP_Proud

Ad dollars are a legal form of political payoffs to leftie news organizations.


7 posted on 05/20/2004 9:26:11 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Pikamax
But a large audience is not a guarantee of garnering premium prices. Media buyers say they generally pay Fox News ad rates that are about 75% to 80% of what they pay CNN -- even though CNN has only about half the audience of Fox News.

The ad rates may be smaller per thousand viewers, but the cost of the ads are actually more on Fox. Assuming 1 million views vs. a half million, if Fox is only getting $8 per thousand, while CNN is getting $12 per thousand, an ad on CNN would cost $6,000 while on Fox it would be $8,000.

8 posted on 05/20/2004 9:26:16 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: steplock
Could it be that FOX is in collusion with the slime-ball 'alphabet' betworks to maintain price-fixing?

It's not price fixing to try to understand what the market rate is and then charge that rate. It is price fixing if there is collusion between competitors to set that rate.

9 posted on 05/20/2004 9:26:28 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: Pikamax; Timesink; *CCRM; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; ...
Media Shenanigans ping - Media buyers say they generally pay Fox News ad rates that are about 75% to 80% of what they pay CNN -- even though CNN has only about half the audience of Fox News.

On, Off, or grab it for a Media Shenanigans/Schadenfreude/PNMCH ping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~anamusedspectator/

OK, I get the whole "Behind the disparity in pricing and perception is a vast TV marketplace guided by its own unusual dynamics. Unlike the stock market, where prices fluctuate minute by minute, the bulk of television ads are sold once a year during a period, starting this week, called the "upfront." The starting point for upfront negotiations is last year's price." thing.

But I'm still confused by the "half the audience, for more dinars" thing. ;-)

10 posted on 05/20/2004 9:28:28 AM PDT by an amused spectator (The SeeBS of 2004 would have revealed the precise date and location of the Normandy Invasion)
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Part of the problem is simply market penetration -- CNN is available through many more outlets than FNC. I often travel and stay in hotels; I am amazed by how many of them offer CNN, CNN-Headline, MSNBC, CNBC, Bloomberg - anything, EXCEPT Fox News.

Then there's that Orwellian "CNN-Airport", the continuously chattering voice in your ear that you cannot silence while you're waiting for a plane.

CNN's tentacles are widespread and have many markets in a death grip. It will take time to solve this problem.

11 posted on 05/20/2004 9:29:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: steplock
That would be the only reason to flatly refuse an offer...other than losing money on a deal of course.

Not really. Fox is banking on the hope that a different advertiser will buy the time at their asking price.

And stupid Chrysler will be paying more to reach fewer viewers. Shareholders should be angry.

12 posted on 05/20/2004 9:29:29 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: JeeperFreeper
For instance, if CNN sells more cars per hour of advertising than Fox, it could charge higher. Doesn't someone somewhere keep track of those things for major advertisers?

That would be difficult to track. You would have to correlate the viewing habits of every consumer and the ads they actually saw to the products they buy. I couldn't even do this for myself.

13 posted on 05/20/2004 9:29:42 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Pikamax; Constitution Day; an amused spectator
This story explains a lot about the ads I see on Fox News.


14 posted on 05/20/2004 9:31:16 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Are you ready for some football?)
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To: narby

"and the result is they're far more left than many people believe."

Which is truly telling about the heart of the left... they aren't as caring about their fellow man as many would have you believe either.

And if there is any doubt that upper mgt, etc at companies is not left leaning, just look at benefit packages at companies anymore.


15 posted on 05/20/2004 9:31:37 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Pikamax
The haggling illustrates a frustrating paradox for Fox News. No longer a struggling upstart, it is beating Time Warner Inc.'s Cable News Network handily in the ratings. But in the peculiar market for television advertising, where the usual rules of supply and demand don't always apply, it has trouble commanding the same rates as its rival.

Would you not pay more to advertise to a market that was easy to deceive? rather than one that was used to actually thinking about what they see and hear...

16 posted on 05/20/2004 9:32:20 AM PDT by thackney (Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer)
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To: Pikamax
It's interesting, because one would think Fox gets different viewers. If all the rest of the news outlets have a leftward slant, they're competing for the same dollars. Me, I wouldn't watch most of those stations on a bet, so their only chance to catch me (in a news venue, anyhow) is Fox.
17 posted on 05/20/2004 9:33:28 AM PDT by prion
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To: Pikamax

I see 4 dollars a share again in their future.


18 posted on 05/20/2004 9:33:51 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: Cincinatus
Orwellian "CNN-Airport", the continuously chattering voice in your ear that you cannot silence while you're waiting for a plane.

I rarely fly, but I was exposed to this a few weeks ago, and its Orwellian nature is devastating.

If I want my children to be exposed to propaganda, I can make that decision myself. But travelling should not REQUIRE me to expose my children to these b@stards.

19 posted on 05/20/2004 9:36:12 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: narby
It's not the "big businesses" that support republicans (and buy ads on CNN). It's the small businesses.

You are quite correct. A simple rule of thumb is that the larger a corporation becomes, the more it comes to resemble a federal agency.

20 posted on 05/20/2004 9:41:52 AM PDT by rhinohunter (Miller for Alaska Senate!!!)
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