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Libertarian Candidate In 2004 Could Cost Bush The Election (Projectile Vomit Alert)
LP.org ^ | 05/25/2004 | Libertarian Party

Posted on 05/25/2004 9:17:45 AM PDT by ServesURight

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NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
Washington DC 20037
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For release: May 25, 2004
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For additional information:
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CBSNews.com: Libertarian candidate in 2004 could cost Bush the election

WASHINGTON, DC -- The Libertarian presidential candidate who will be nominated in Atlanta on Sunday may have a bigger impact on the race than Ralph Nader and “could cost Mr. Bush his job in 2004,” according to an analysis by David Paul Kuhn, chief political writer for CBSNews.com.

The May 21 article, headlined “Bush’s Third-Party Threat,” says many conservatives are so upset with Republican spending increases that they may abandon Bush in November. If that happens, the Libertarian nominee “may do for Democrats in 2004 what Nader did for Republicans in 2000” and cost Bush the election, Kuhn says.

To gauge the Libertarian impact in 2004, Kuhn analyzes voting patterns in swing states and concludes that Libertarian candidates have already cost the GOP several gubernatorial and U.S. Senate seats. Among them:

* In the 2002 Wisconsin gubernatorial race, Libertarian Ed Thompson earned “a startling” 85,455 votes, he notes, while Democrat Jim Doyle won the state by about 75,000 votes.

* In the 2002 Oregon gubernatorial race, Libertarian Tom Cox garnered 57,760 votes to help Democrat Ted Kulongoski edge out Republican Kevin Mannix by just 35,000 votes.

* In the 1998 Nevada U.S. Senate contest, Libertarian Michael Cloud won 8,129 votes while Democrat Harry Reid beat Republican John Ensign by 401 votes.

Echoing the lesson learned in the 2000 Bush-Gore presidential race, Kuhn notes, “it only takes one state to change the course of the nation.”

According to one expert quoted in the article, Lawrence Jacobs of the 2004 Elections Project for the Humphrey Institute, “The Libertarians will impact Republicans more than Nader will impact Democrats.”

Nader’s support may be more equally distributed between the right and left this year than in 2000, analysts say, because of his endorsement by the Reform Party and because of his efforts to work with presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry to curtail his activity in swing states.

Libertarians, however, are expected to bring in mostly conservative votes, Kuhn notes.

“While Democrats fret over the possibility of Ralph Nader causing them to lose another election by stealing votes on the left, President Bush may face an even greater third-party threat from the right wing,” he writes. “The Libertarian nominee could cost Mr. Bush his job in 2004.”

However, Libertarian Party Executive Director Joe Seehusen points out that Libertarian candidates typically draw votes from independent and Democratic voters as well as from Republicans.

“Could the Libertarian nominee play a role in costing a big-government advocate like George Bush his job?” he asks. “Let’s hope so.

“But let’s keep in mind that it’s not just Republicans who have sold out their own voters. Democrats have betrayed Americans who believe in peace and civil liberties by supporting the war in Iraq and the Patriot Act.

"So we can't be certain whether we'll attract more votes from disgruntled Republican voters or disillusioned Democrats. But we do know that Americans who want the government out of their bedroom, out of their boardroom, out of their wallet and out of Iraq are going to have a Libertarian on the ballot in November. And we’ll be choosing that candidate in Atlanta this weekend."

The Libertarian National Convention will run from Thursday, May 27 to Monday, May 31 at the Atlanta Marriott Marquis Hotel and ballroom. The 800-plus delegates in attendance will also make changes to the party Platform, listen to a wide array of speakers and entertainers and elect a national chair.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; allaboutdope; dreamon; libertarian; libertarianizethegop; losers; lp; stuntedgrowth; thirdparty
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1 posted on 05/25/2004 9:17:47 AM PDT by ServesURight
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To: ServesURight

Well, since I've NEVER heard of ANY of these guys, I'm not gonna worry too much.


2 posted on 05/25/2004 9:20:04 AM PDT by EggsAckley ("people who go to the Supreme Court ought to interpret the Constitution as it is interpreted...")
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To: ServesURight
Hmmmm. So the LP is touting its potential (probably a forlorn hope) of being a spoiler in the upcoming election.

Not much of a "party of principle." But it's clearly one hell of a "party of juvenile pretension."

3 posted on 05/25/2004 9:22:28 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: ServesURight
So they'll finally break the 1% popular vote threshold?

This "analysis" is about as worthless as a Kerry press conference on foreign policy.

4 posted on 05/25/2004 9:22:47 AM PDT by BlkConserv
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To: ServesURight

What rubbish. Libertarians, far more than the Greens, pull votes from both of the major parties -- economic conservatives from the 'rats and social liberals from the 'pubbies. Plus, the vast majority of voters that will vote LP, CP, Nader, etc., would not vote at all if those choices weren't available.


5 posted on 05/25/2004 9:23:18 AM PDT by kevkrom (The John Kerry Songbook: www.imakrom.com/kerrysongs)
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To: ServesURight

6 posted on 05/25/2004 9:24:54 AM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: r9etb
So the LP is touting its potential (probably a forlorn hope) of being a spoiler in the upcoming election.

No, more correctly, the Libertarian party is trying its best to appear relevant.

7 posted on 05/25/2004 9:32:26 AM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: ServesURight
* In the 2002 Wisconsin gubernatorial race, Libertarian Ed Thompson earned “a startling” 85,455 votes, he notes, while Democrat Jim Doyle won the state by about 75,000 votes.

This ONLY happened because Ed is the brother of Tommy Thompson, our outgoing Republican governor (he's now head of Dept. of Health & Human Services). Any votes for Ed were because there was a horror of electing "Diamond Jim" Doyle, (D-WEAC and Indian Gaming). The Republican acting Governor had no chance anyway, with or without the Libertarian effect.

8 posted on 05/25/2004 9:37:38 AM PDT by Watery Tart ( Andropov said, wisely, "Now all we have to do is to keep the Vietnam-era anti-Americanism alive.")
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To: EggsAckley

We are roasting their stomachs at the polls!

9 posted on 05/25/2004 9:39:36 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (John Kerry - Not the Swiftest Boat in the Delta.)
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To: Petronski

LOL! Yes, he was.


10 posted on 05/25/2004 9:40:03 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

hilarious ... Baghdad Bob as spokesman for the Losertarians ROFLMAO


11 posted on 05/25/2004 9:40:54 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: ServesURight
There are Libertarians that hold ideological libertarian purity to the extent that they would like to see the Constitution thrown out in exchange for Libertarian formula. For them, the LP seems to be their choice.

Others, even of strong conviction, like Ron Paul have settled that the Constitution is a settled starting point and needs adherence and not reformulation. For them the Liberty Caucus of the Republican Party is a good vehicle and they look to make common cause with Conservative Republicans.

The difference strongly divides the libertarian caste and will keep it to marginal impact in third party efforts but fair impact, due to Liberty Caucus, within Republican circles. Republicans have a natural affinity to restoration of Constitutional principles and that later forum forever serves as a reminder of an issue that they haven't fairly addressed in their actions, even despite disagreement on particulars.

12 posted on 05/25/2004 9:43:40 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: tdadams
No, more correctly, the Libertarian party is trying its best to appear relevant.

With the amount of press that other 3rd parties (green and formerly the reform party) get, the LP party is far more relevant as they have more elected officals in the US than any other 3rd party.

13 posted on 05/25/2004 9:45:21 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: KC Burke
Republicans have a natural affinity to restoration of Constitutional principles

Republicans, no. Conservatives, yes.

14 posted on 05/25/2004 9:46:58 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: ServesURight

Vomit alert? - You gonna get an ulcer fella, if you keep letting politics get you sick. Lighten up & learn to laugh at these political fools..

-- It's the libertarian way.


15 posted on 05/25/2004 9:47:57 AM PDT by tpaine ("The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: ServesURight

ROTFLMAO!

The "Libertarian Party" couldn't find its own ass if it had both hands in its back pants pockets.....(grin)

The Libertarian Party is to politics what Scientology is to religion.


16 posted on 05/25/2004 9:49:14 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: ServesURight

While I have some (a few) opinions in common with the Libertarians, I think this is a joke.

Someone who is abandoning Bush because he is not conservative enough is not going to vote Libertarian.


17 posted on 05/25/2004 10:03:56 AM PDT by sharktrager (Insanity: To continue repeating the same act, each time expecting a different result.)
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To: ServesURight
This article assumes that Libertarian votes are taken from Republicans.

In reality, if there wasn't a Libertarian on the ballot, many of them them wouldn't vote to begin with.

18 posted on 05/25/2004 10:10:22 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: Phantom Lord
Republicans, no. Conservatives, yes.

A good distinction, I should have made myself. Thanks for the sharpening of my statement.

19 posted on 05/25/2004 10:11:39 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: Badeye

>>>The "Libertarian Party" couldn't find its own ass if it had both hands in its back pants pockets.....(grin) <<<

Well, maybe if it had a GPS unit in each hand.


20 posted on 05/25/2004 10:19:13 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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