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1 posted on 06/24/2004 8:01:41 AM PDT by Borges
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10 representatives rise to challenge it, but not a single senator. As Moore shows the challengers, one after another, we cannot help noting that they are eight black women, one Asian woman and one black man. recalling that this was the extreme left wing Congressional Black Caucus making fools of themselves as usual. They are all gaveled into silence by the chairman of the joint congressional session -- Vice President Al Gore. The urgency and futility of the scene reawakens old feelings for those who believe[Like fatso Ebert no doubt] Bush is an illegitimate president.

What an idiot.

2 posted on 06/24/2004 8:05:44 AM PDT by Huck (Be nice to chubby rodents. You know, woodchucks, guinea pigs, beavers, marmots, porcupines...)
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And he makes good use of candid footage, including an eerie video showing Bush practicing facial expressions before going live with his address to the nation about 9/11.

WTF is so eerie about that? Jeez, what the hell is wrong with people. I bet fatso roger ebert never checked to see how his appearance on tv looks. He just wings it. Only psycho republican presidents would actually practice a speech to get the right body language. Sheesh.

3 posted on 06/24/2004 8:08:04 AM PDT by Huck (Be nice to chubby rodents. You know, woodchucks, guinea pigs, beavers, marmots, porcupines...)
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Gee, I wish I had a dollar for every effusive adjective describing Ebert's affection for Moore. Peas in a pod.


4 posted on 06/24/2004 8:08:26 AM PDT by sarasota
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His inexplicable paralysis wasn't underlined in news reports at the time, and only Moore thought to contact the teacher in that schoolroom -- who, as it turned out, had made her own video of the visit. The expression on Bush's face as he sits there is odd indeed.

Inexplicable? It may not be the correct explanation but I have always thought that, perhaps, President Bush didn't want to freak out a bunch of schoolchildren.

5 posted on 06/24/2004 8:08:27 AM PDT by grellis ("I was just wondering, do you filthy Freepers know how well-known and notorious you are?")
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To Moore, this is more evidence that Bush has an unhealthy relationship with the Saudis, and that it may have influenced his decision to go to war against Iraq at least partially on their behalf.

No mention, as usual, of the fact that SA was strongly opposed to America invading Iraq.

7 posted on 06/24/2004 8:12:40 AM PDT by Restorer
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" If the film is not quite as electrifying as Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," that may be because Moore has toned down his usual exuberance and was sobered by attacks on the factual accuracy of elements of "Columbine"; playing with larger stakes, he is more cautious here, and we get an op-ed piece, not a stand-up routine."

Simply the most ridiculous statement in a review chock full of them.

Just noting it was Richard Clarke, on his own authority, getting the bin Laden family members out of the country undermines this comment. We can all cite dozens of other "errors" in Moore's film...but why?

Nobody but the far leftwingnuts are making plans to spend a Friday night at the movies on this.


9 posted on 06/24/2004 8:14:42 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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'9/11': Just the facts?

June 18, 2004

BY ROGER EBERT FILM CRITIC








A reader writes:

"In your articles discussing Michael Moore's film 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' you call it a documentary. I always thought of documentaries as presenting facts objectively without editorializing. While I have enjoyed many of Mr. Moore's films, I don't think they fit the definition of a documentary."

That's where you're wrong. Most documentaries, especially the best ones, have an opinion and argue for it. Even those that pretend to be objective reflect the filmmaker's point of view. Moviegoers should observe the bias, take it into account and decide if the film supports it or not.

Michael Moore is a liberal activist. He is the first to say so. He is alarmed by the prospect of a second term for George W. Bush, and made "Fahrenheit 9/11" for the purpose of persuading people to vote against him.

That is all perfectly clear, and yet in the days before the film opens June 25, there'll be bountiful reports by commentators who are shocked! shocked! that Moore's film is partisan. "He doesn't tell both sides," we'll hear, especially on Fox News, which is so famous for telling both sides.

The wise French director Godard once said, "The way to criticize a film is to make another film." That there is not a pro-Bush documentary available right now I am powerless to explain. Surely, however, the Republican National Convention will open with such a documentary, which will position Bush comfortably between Ronald Reagan and God. The Democratic convention will have a wondrous film about John Kerry. Anyone who thinks one of these documentaries is "presenting facts objectively without editorializing" should look at the other one.

The pitfall for Moore is not subjectivity, but accuracy. We expect him to hold an opinion and argue it, but we also require his facts to be correct. I was an admirer of his previous doc, the Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine," until I discovered that some of his "facts" were wrong, false or fudged.

In some cases, he was guilty of making a good story better, but in other cases (such as his ambush of Charlton Heston) he was unfair, and in still others (such as the wording on the plaque under the bomber at the Air Force Academy) he was just plain wrong, as anyone can see by going to look at the plaque.

Because I agree with Moore's politics, his inaccuracies pained me, and I wrote about them in my Answer Man column. Moore wrote me that he didn't expect such attacks "from you, of all people." But I cannot ignore flaws simply because I agree with the filmmaker. In hurting his cause, he wounds mine.

Now comes "Fahrenheit 9/11," floating on an enormous wave of advance publicity. It inspired a battle of the titans between Disney's Michael Eisner and Miramax's Harvey Weinstein. It won the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. It has been rated R by the MPAA, and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo has signed up as Moore's lawyer, to challenge the rating. The conservative group Move America Forward, which successfully bounced the mildly critical biopic "The Reagans" off CBS and onto cable, has launched a campaign to discourage theaters from showing "Fahrenheit 9/11."

The campaign will amount to nothing and disgraces Move America Forward by showing it trying to suppress disagreement instead of engaging it. The R rating may stand; there is a real beheading in the film, and only fictional beheadings get the PG-13. Disney and Miramax will survive.

Moore's real test will come on the issue of accuracy. He can say whatever he likes about Bush, as long as his facts are straight. Having seen the film twice, I saw nothing that raised a flag for me, and I haven't heard of any major inaccuracies. When Moore was questioned about his claim that Bush unwisely lingered for six or seven minutes in that Florida classroom after learning of the World Trade Center attacks, Moore was able to reply with a video of Bush doing exactly that.

I agree with Moore that the presidency of George W. Bush has been a disaster for America. In writing that, I expect to get the usual complaints that movie critics should keep their political opinions to themselves. But opinions are my stock in trade, and is it not more honest to declare my politics than to conceal them? I agree with Moore, and because I do, I hope "Fahrenheit 9/11" proves to be as accurate as it seems.


10 posted on 06/24/2004 8:15:18 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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Shallow analysis of a shallow film. Moore has little to work with and his propaganda piece denotes desperation by the radical left. Ebert puts aside critical analysis to promote his leftist politics. Everyone knows this is a propaganda piece including the left.

The scene Ebert mentions where Bush continues to read to children after being informed about 9/11 amazes me. Bush did exactly the right thing. Had he broke away abruptly the left would have criticized how he scared the children. The left is indeed desperate.


11 posted on 06/24/2004 8:15:39 AM PDT by plain talk
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“Official,” mind you.


13 posted on 06/24/2004 8:17:21 AM PDT by dighton
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I hope Roger doesn't commit suicide when the DEMO(N)cRATS fail to stuff enough ballot boxes next November.


14 posted on 06/24/2004 8:18:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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Michael Moore would not recognize competency if it came up behind him and kicked him in his very ample butt so hard his nose started bleeding. He is a very cunning person who has wormed his way into trash film making, by finding some wealthy donors, making very exaggerated caricatures of scenes from everyday America, and weaving them into semi-fictional works about a world that never was, and logically, could not exist. These film productions are cartoons, showing imaginary people doing improbable things, and real people behaving in ways wholly inconsistent with all the history of what they have ever done or been. The visual image is vastly more powerful than the spoken or written word, and has the potential to supplant reality. Sure, there is "freedom of speech", but apparently this freedom is being seriously abused here, by the detachment of historical and verifiable fact from the discussion and replacing it with complete flights of fancy.


15 posted on 06/24/2004 8:19:41 AM PDT by alloysteel (Opinionated bigotry - not just a tag line, a way of life.)
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I'm sure that if Moore could have gotten hold of it, he would have shown video of Bush picking his nose and pooping. What it sounds like he shows is people being human, normal. We all would come off looking weak and foolish if our lives were edited to show the bad times, the night we drank too much or the looking in the mirror in the morning and pulling in the tummy or putting on makeup. It's all cheap shots and could be done to anyone with the same effect.


16 posted on 06/24/2004 8:20:09 AM PDT by Mercat
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Of course, these very same arguments may be used to excuse the excesses and distortions in The Triumph Of The Will. But then, Ebert already knew that.
17 posted on 06/24/2004 8:20:17 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Two fat, ugly men.


18 posted on 06/24/2004 8:21:56 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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imagine if we did a film about hillary... they would label it hate speech and spend millions trying to discredit it. they are hypocrits.


23 posted on 06/24/2004 8:26:07 AM PDT by beansox
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...the most devastating passage in the film ...[is] when Bush, who was reading My Pet Goat to a classroom of Florida children, is notified of the second attack on the World Trade Center, and yet lingers with the kids for almost seven minutes before finally leaving the room. His inexplicable paralysis wasn't underlined in news reports at the time, and only Moore thought to contact the teacher in that schoolroom -- who, as it turned out, had made her own video of the visit. The expression on Bush's face as he sits there is odd indeed.

Gosh, this embarrasses me as a member of the same species (and sex!) as both Ebert and Moore.

Seriously, God as my witness -- this is THE ONE STUPIDEST CRITICISM in this whole situation. It has been so ROUNDLY, so EASILY, so TOTALLY discredited -- that anyone can state it without a blush of humiliated shame....

Ack. This makes my brain itch and jitter. No more polite words.

Deb?

Dan
(c8

25 posted on 06/24/2004 8:29:18 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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Let's see how it does at the box office...

Prediction: it will do well in NYC and LA and die everywhere else.
In fact, don't be surprised if it is pulled in half of the theaters after the first week, fizzle out and be history in a month...

Everyone knows what Michael Moron is all about, no one needs to spend ten bucks a head to watch some anti-American propaganda that would have been banned during WWI & WWII.

Semper Fi,
Kelly



26 posted on 06/24/2004 8:30:31 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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In other news Roger Ebert gives 4 stars to all of, Moore's mentor, Jospeh Goebbel's "documentaries"


27 posted on 06/24/2004 8:32:44 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Liberals have the inverse midas touch, everything they get a hold of turns to S&*%)
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That's when Bush, who was reading My Pet Goat to a classroom of Florida children, is notified of the second attack on the World Trade Center, and yet lingers with the kids for almost seven minutes before finally leaving the room. His inexplicable paralysis...

On they are so right on this point. I much prefer a president that jumps right up at the first sign of trouble, flails his arms wildly, screams to everyone in the room and loses it emotionally.

Speaking of which, isn't Gore scheduled for some sort of event today?

28 posted on 06/24/2004 8:34:08 AM PDT by BJungNan (Stop Spam - Start Charging for Email - You get 2000 a month for free, then you pay!)
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and only Moore thought to contact the teacher in that schoolroom -- who, as it turned out, had made her own video of the visit.

The principal at the school thought GWB's actions were exactly right. She said she didn't vote for him, but she would have that day.

The dems are all about image. GW should have pulled a pistol from his belt, and drawn a sword from its scabbard, and done the He-Man schtick? Right, that would have been a calming scene.

I do appreciate Ebert telling his readers up front of his political stripes. An honest dem - who knew?
33 posted on 06/24/2004 8:40:23 AM PDT by baseballmom
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