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Microsoft confirms supercomputing plans
CNet ^ | 23 June 2004 | Stephen Shankland

Posted on 06/24/2004 8:48:48 AM PDT by ShadowAce

UPDATE-- Microsoft will sell a version of Windows for high-performance computing--a niche in which rival Linux is blossoming--with a first version planned for the second half of 2005.

As first reported by CNET News.com, the Windows Server 2003 HPC Edition

will include features for running windows on clusters of machines interconnected by a high-speed network to form a single computing resource, Microsoft said in a statement Wednesday.

In the statement, Microsoft said it has enlisted support for the new version from several major companies, including IBM, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Advanced Micro Devices and Intel. Other partners include Verari Systems, one of whose specialties is cluster computing, and the Cornell Theory Center, which has explored Windows for supercomputing for years.

Clusters are hitting their stride as a mainstream element in supercomputing, but they're not well-adapted for some tasks, such as decryption. On the newest list of the top 500 supercomputers released this week, 291 were identified as clusters, the list organizers said.

And Linux is popular on clusters, too. No. 2 system "Thunder," California Digital's 4,096-processor machine built for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, runs Linux, as do the two new Blue Gene/L prototypes from IBM that are in the top 10 today.

Aiming for the mainstream
As the market expands to mainstream users, Microsoft believes that it can get a foothold from technical experts with the ability and interest in the nitty-gritty details of clusters, said Dennis Oldroyd, director of the Windows Server Product Management Group.

"We see the market transitioning out of academic and government (areas) and into the enterprise," Oldroyd said. "As that move happens, you'll find that people need to have a familiar interface. They're not interested in tuning it and tweaking it. They want to get their work done."

But Microsoft has been "hot and cold, hot and cold, hot and cold" about high-performance computing and faces challenges in the market, said Nan Boden, executive vice president and co-founder of Myricom, which sells high-end networking gear widely used to build supercomputing clusters.

"From what we've seen in performance of Windows, they just haven't been competitive with Linux. There's too much overhead," Boden said. She said Myricom has products to serve customers who want to run Windows on a high-performance cluster. "But we really haven't seen a tremendous demand for it."

Microsoft knows what it's up against. "Certainly, the technology has grown up around Linux, but we see demand from customers for Windows," Oldroyd said. "We think we will have something unique to offer in the marketplace."

There will be room for Microsoft in the high-performance computing market, even with a product scheduled to arrive more than a year from now, but the clock is ticking, Summit Strategies analyst Dwight Davis said. "Some people would argue it's too late, even if it came out tomorrow. Linux has, in pretty short order, come to dominate this sector of the computing spectrum," he said. "The longer it takes to get this to market, the fewer the opportunities there will be."

Market researcher IDC expects the high-performance computing market to expand from $6.1 billion in 2004 to $7.6 billion in 2008.

Ironically, Microsoft's popularity in the overall computing market helped pave the way for Linux. Windows spread hand in hand with the same processors from Intel that became the most widely used chip for running Linux. And in the most recent Top500 list, 45 percent of machines used Intel's Xeon and 12 percent used Intel's Itanium 2.

Intel will help Microsoft test the new Windows version and make sure that it takes advantage of specific chip features, spokesman Scott McLaughlin said. "We work with Microsoft to make sure their operating systems run best on Intel-based platforms," he said.

Microsoft hopes that its new Windows version will make it easy to manage clusters and to develop software for them. It also promises "a secure...platform with high performance and low total cost of ownership."

Microsoft plans to release a preview version of its software in the fourth quarter, Oldroyd said. He didn't comment on whether that would include a software developer kit, but David Lifka, chief technology officer for the Cornell Theory Center, said he expects one in coming months.

Standardizing cluster technology
Computers within a cluster use software called Message Passing Interface, or MPI, to communicate. Microsoft will provide a version of the interface.

According to Microsoft's job postings, it's also working on a version of MPI to run on its .Net system, which would theoretically make it easier to move an application that uses MPI from one computer to another. The .Net technology employs the C# programming language and a package called the Common Language Runtime to run programs.

Microsoft is examining MPI options, but Oldroyd declined to comment on specific plans beyond the company's intent to make it easier to use the technology by giving a consistent interface for higher-level software.

"One real advantage of...Windows HPC Edition is, it's one platform you need to think about. You don't need to think about different MPIs, different schedulers, compile with this, compile with that," Oldroyd said. "It makes the market much more addressable for (independent software vendors). They've got a platform they can count on being there."

Another idea Microsoft is evaluating is "cycle harvesting," a method to harness the otherwise unused processing power of PCs, Oldroyd said. The idea has been used on a large scale by the SETI@home effort to sift through radio-telescope signals searching for extraterrestrial communications.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: microsoft; supercomputing

1 posted on 06/24/2004 8:48:49 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

Tech Ping


2 posted on 06/24/2004 8:49:16 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
I'm not a tech, and I don't play one on tv...

Why would a tech want windows?

I am a Mac user, and never need a tech... I would think that a tech would not need windows!

3 posted on 06/24/2004 8:51:41 AM PDT by pageonetoo (Rights, what Rights'. You're kidding, right? This is Amerika!)
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To: ShadowAce

Hey, as usual Gates is late to the party. Cray's newest machines are smashing all records and cost performance benchmarks. Interesting they were not even mentioned in the aritcle.


4 posted on 06/24/2004 8:58:50 AM PDT by kimoajax
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To: ShadowAce

Apple's OSX has it now. Linux has it now. MSFT is late to the party.


5 posted on 06/24/2004 8:59:21 AM PDT by ikka
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To: ShadowAce

Hmm. I can have a cluster of Linux machines each with a couple MBs of OS and support files, that I can network boot from a central server in a matter of seconds, or I can install a full blown copy of Windows -- each with the support nightmares associated with that on each node. Wonder which one I'll choose.


6 posted on 06/24/2004 9:01:21 AM PDT by sigSEGV
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To: ShadowAce
Cycle harvesting, eh?

Sorry, there just *aren't* any cycles left to harvest. the few that are left after Windows XP is done with its chores are all soaked up by Spyware and remote execution trojans...

Of course, think of the possibilities of a Microsoft designed high performance cluster! Write a Trojan worm and have it run on 1000 dual processor Opterons connected to the network by Internet2 instead of just a silly Celeron hooked up to a 56k modem!

7 posted on 06/24/2004 9:09:59 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: ShadowAce
Great to hear that Linux already has this sown up and that Gates is late to the party.

Hopefully this means that we'll hear no more whining about unfair practices and monopolies when Gates gets this thing up and running and kicks everyones' butts again-as usual.

8 posted on 06/24/2004 9:11:46 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: ShadowAce

I envision blue screens of death which occur at ever-increasing speeds.


9 posted on 06/24/2004 9:26:13 AM PDT by George Smiley (It amazes me how easily John Kerry can straddle both sides of the fence for any given issue.)
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To: ShadowAce
If they would just optimize windows for modern CPUs instead of the 486 it would be a big help.

So9

10 posted on 06/24/2004 9:45:06 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: ikka

What else is new, they will add a button or two and call it innovation..


11 posted on 06/24/2004 9:46:31 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: ShadowAce

If the greedy bill gates would let me buy just one copy of XP and "allow" me to run it on my 4 household computers I would consider that progress, as of now, I gotta buy 4 identical boxes of XP and feel like a dammed fool for enriching the richest man in the world at my expense... This is why I never upgraded to XP and am still on win-me...


12 posted on 06/24/2004 9:57:30 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: aspiring.hillbilly

Yeah, I understand that one. The idea you cannot buy XP and install it on multiple machines you own...I like XP, it works well, but that aspect of it drives me insane. Which is why I'm still running Win 2K Pro at home. Of course, I gotta admit, when I've got everything up and running like I want, I've got Linux, Unix, and Windows on my network.


13 posted on 06/24/2004 10:30:46 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: stylin_geek; aspiring.hillbilly
Yeah--I run a heterogenous network here at home as well. One machine is Win98, one machine is a dual-boot win2k/RH9, and my laptop is Fedora Core 1.

Use the right tool for the job.

14 posted on 06/24/2004 10:49:08 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Good to see Microsoft joining a competitive fray.

They'll have to go up against, among others, both Linux and Apple:

Apple sells 1566 Xserves for U.S. Army research

15 posted on 06/24/2004 12:11:30 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: ShadowAce

"Clusters are hitting their stride as a mainstream element in supercomputing, but they're not well-adapted for some tasks, such as decryption. On the newest list of the top 500 supercomputers released this week, 291 were identified as clusters, the list organizers said."

Not EXACTLY true... It's GREAT for *cracking* crypto.


16 posted on 06/24/2004 12:21:42 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: ShadowAce

There are already several versions of MPI available for the Windows platform.

http://www.windowsclusters.org/parallel_middleware.htm

This is really nothing new!

Just a stock-pumping press release.


17 posted on 06/24/2004 12:24:11 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: ShadowAce
Microsoft hopes that its new Windows version will make it easy to manage clusters and to develop software for them. It also promises "a secure...platform with high performance and low total cost of ownership."

Riiiiight. How much is a Windows Server license? And now you gotta buy one for each CPU in your cluster?

18 posted on 06/24/2004 1:25:01 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ShadowAce

BTTT


19 posted on 06/24/2004 1:28:50 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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