You said, "Up and down. Isn't that how it's always worked?" And I say, yes, that is always how it worked. But nowadays things are not working how they always have worked. 
Posted on 06/27/2004 4:52:11 AM PDT by neutrino
I'm glad you have that option. The problem is, low wages due to globalization will propagate to other fields. Those who think this is just an IT problem are tragically wrong.
You said, "Up and down. Isn't that how it's always worked?" And I say, yes, that is always how it worked. But nowadays things are not working how they always have worked.
Then how could you turn around and say this after reading it? In post #29 you said, "It'll be your turn after a while, I suspect."
Again, if you read it and understood it, how could you say that it would be my "turn after a while" since I admitted that it had already happened? That's why I asked the rhetorical question about things going up and down in the business world.
I could once more be laid off. There's no denying that. And if and when that does happen, then I'll survive it again.
No one owes me anything. Emotionalism and fear-mongering don't work on me. It may on others. But not me.
$710.96.. The price of freedom.
Corporations cannot by themselves just waltz into another country and set up business. It takes the hated "government interference" to make it possible. It takes the hated "government interference" to protect against risk doing business "over there." They don't call Ex-Im Bank Boeing Bank for no reason. Then there's OPIC and other types of hated "government interference." The good kind of "government interference."
IMO this is more than jobs chasing cheap labor. It's the Third Way. It's Kyoto-lite, redistribution of wealth that lets corporations profit instead of forced redistribution of wealth to the third world.
This is post-America. Leftist tranzis, "free" traders, multi-national capitalists, leftists, rightists have all moved beyond being Americans. As long as there are enough young, patriotic Americans to enlist and fight to protect them they will continue to loot America and profit -- oh, and BTW, those young Americans have no right to a job when they return from war.
Let's have fair trade, not "free" trade driven by ideology and government interference (the "good" kind). Our decades-old trade with Europe is free trade. Let developing countries prove their comparative advantages, first by eliminating corruption and tyranny.
So, in the end, China would only be a global player, not challenging our dominance but among the big boys -- that big boy list would be the US, the EU, Japan, China and India. The US would be dominant well into the future -- both China and India's GDP per capita are barely 1/10 of ours.
I used to work as an IT contractor, good pay, but the periods between contracts have been farther and farther apart.
Now I'm in the process of incorporating my history website (which has been a valuable Internet resource for 6 years) into a non-profit foundation with 501c(3) status. Hopefully this will get the ball rolling again. It will mean biting the bullet for a while until we can receive grants.
While working on this, I have also gone back to my dream of writing novels.
I get discouraged sometimes, but I don't believe that G-D closes one door without opening another.
We live in a democracy. We should all be able to tolerate working with people of varied educational backgrounds. Isn't making this an issue just subtle class warfare?
We live in a democracy. We should all be able to tolerate working with people of varied educational backgrounds. Isn't making this an issue just subtle class warfare?
Precisely, Alouette. It's that thing we call faith.
Is there anything too hard for Him?
$710.96.. The price of freedom.
Because you can bounce around within a outsourcable technical field until the room becomes too narrow to rebound. Surely, you can survive, but to do so will inevitably require you move from the field in which you are educated and experienced.
Myself, I spent 30 years in such a technical field and saw the handwriting on the wall. I'm now in a non outsourcable field.
The problem isn't survival, it's the break down of the high standard of living that has motivated individual commercial activities that, taken all together, provide us security on the world stage.
You and I are just nodes. Our situations are fragments, our survival a personal thing. But the situation is compounding and accelerating, and will eventually touch us personally.
And you're right, nobody owes us anything, but it may well turn out that we find that we owe increasingly international job providers more than we are willing to part with.
And you're wrong, domestic corporations do most certainly owe us something as Americans: the first on the short list to participate in their enrichment, and ours. These corporations are state (as in one of the United States) created entities, under laws benevolent to their free exercise of business opportunity, and which laws are created, nurtured and fought for by Americans, not Indians, not Chinese.
What we are hearing is the silence of the canary, which ought to be singing. We ought to pay close attention to the fact it's not, instead of exclusively concentrating on sticking our proboscis into dwindling pools of economic opportunity.
We can tolerate most anything, unfortunately in many cases. It's not what we can tolerate, but the right we have to pursue what we prefer, and not be put down because we prefer it.
Has nothing to do with class warfare, in my estimation. Has to do with not having our communication limited in scope to what goes into the mouth and what comes out at the other end.
We don't live in a democracy, heaven forbid. We live in a democratically ordered republic. Enough people forget that, and we will live in a democracy, and find out first hand why the founders were so against it.
You support outsourcing to China. That makes them stronger.
Remember. Be assured, I will.
IMO this is more than jobs chasing cheap labor. It's the Third Way. It's Kyoto-lite, redistribution of wealth that lets corporations profit instead of forced redistribution of wealth to the third world.
This is post-America. Leftist tranzis, "free" traders, multi-national capitalists, leftists, rightists have all moved beyond being Americans. As long as there are enough young, patriotic Americans to enlist and fight to protect them they will continue to loot America and profit -- oh, and BTW, those young Americans have no right to a job when they return from war.
If you want on or off my offshoring ping list, please FReepmail me!
If we have to compete evenly, ala Carley, they level the playing field.
Until I see some action on that, like Miss Fiorna taking a strong stand for individual rights and an end to such pernicous practices as madated affirmative action I will need to continue boycotting HP products.
Really? So are you ready to say, clearly, openly, forthrightly, that you oppose sending American jobs and infrastructure offshore?
If that's the case, please, correct me! I'd like nothing better!
The fault for this are all those folks who buy made in China stuff, even though American has better value for money
Great! We're in total agreement on that point! Now, are you willing to stand with me in opposition to the trend? Will you support changing the rules of the game to favor America and Americans?
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