After reading what your post I just could not resist.8-)
Posted on 07/12/2004 3:30:06 PM PDT by AngieGal
An argument in favor of homosexual marriage that you are likely to hear again and again on radio talk shows, on national television, and on the Internet, reflects a line of reasoning that you must be prepared to counter. It is embodied in these kinds of questions: Why all the fuss about gay marriage anyway? And why should it matter to you if a gay couple marries and moves into your neighborhood? Why shouldn’t our definition of family be broadened and modernized? After all, what harm could possibly be done by yielding to the demands of those who say traditional notions of family are outmoded and irrelevant?
Columnist Steve Blow, in a recent edition of The Dallas Morning News, echoed some of these questions. His op-ed piece was titled “Gay Marriage: Why Would It Affect Me?” and was apparently written after he had read one of my recent newsletters on the subject. Blow wrote:
When opponents talk about the “defense of marriage,” they lose me. James Dobson’s Focus on the Family just sent out a mailer to 2.5 million homes saying: “The homosexual activists’ movement is poised to administer a devastating and potentially fatal blow to the traditional family.” And I say, “Huh?” How does anyone’s pledge of love and commitment turn into a fatal blow to families?
Mr. Blow clearly believes that the only reason for not legalizing homosexual marriage is sheer bigotry. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are very compelling arguments against marriage between homosexuals that should be considered by anyone who has not yet become familiar with the issues. Unfortunately, the American people, as a whole, have not yet thought through the consequences and measured the impact of this revolutionary concept. I could list fifty or more legitimate concerns. Let me focus on only eleven:
1. The legalization of homosexual marriage will quickly destroy the traditional family.
2. Children will suffer most.
3. Public schools in every state will embrace homosexuality.
4. Adoption laws will be instantly obsolete.
5. Foster-care programs will be impacted dramatically.
6. The health care system will stagger and perhaps collapse.
7. Social Security will be severely stressed.
8. Religious freedom will almost certainly be jeopardized.
9. Other nations are watching our march toward homosexual marriage and will follow our lead.
10. The gospel of Jesus Christ will be severely curtailed.
11. The culture war will be over, and the world may soon become “as it was in the days of Noah” (Matthew 24:37).
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In his latest book, Marriage Under Fire, Dr. James Dobson defends the sanctity of traditional marriage, presenting clearly defined reasons for it in the legal, financial, social and emotional arenas. Dobson says Christians everywhere must rally to become a solid force now more than ever.
(Excerpt) Read more at family.org ...
Sorry, zealots I don't need.
Dobson is a mook. I am not going to beat my kids with anything other than my open hand. He is nuts. I bought a book of his some 20 years ago and I rue the 6 bucks.
After reading what your post I just could not resist.8-)
Thank you. When writing for other eyes to see, I tend to emphasize what most others omit and to omit what most others already know and focus on. For example,...not only "works" but repentance, then works, indeed.
It's understandable if many disagree, though. As it is with the very few truly Orthodox Jews, my beliefs--extremely unpopular--are more Early Modern Protestant than those of all but a scattered few in this world.
You did put that into words very well, IMO.
Early Modern Protestant? Cool.
Cites, please?
Well put-- and why all the fuss? We all know that Nimrod was the great-grandson of Noah: noted as a great hunter (Gen. 10:8–10) and that Dr. Dobson was served on the Advisory Board on Missing and Exploited Children.
But beyond hunting for missing kids, Nimrod Dobson is skewing the marriage debate with non-sequitors; in short, he don't make good sense. Example:
"The gospel of Jesus Christ will be severely curtailed." Now I think my particular religious denomination is better than everyone else's too, but that's not important here. There is NO (emphasis in the 'no' part) jurisdiction that allows homosexual marriage (ok, maybe Massachusetts but they're in a big hurry to fix that) and equates homosexual rumpypumpy to marriage. No Islamic country, Jewish country, Hindu country, Buddhist country, Atheist country, --this is not just a Christian issue.
With backing like this, the culture war can't be lost even with pessimistic Christians warning about a return to the days of the other Nimrod and his great grandfather.
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But beyond hunting for missing kids, Nimrod Dobson is skewing the marriage debate with non-sequitors; in short, he don't make good sense. Example:
"The gospel of Jesus Christ will be severely curtailed." Now I think my particular religious denomination is better than everyone else's too, but that's not important here. There is NO (emphasis in the 'no' part) jurisdiction that allows homosexual marriage (ok, maybe Massachusetts but they're in a big hurry to fix that) and equates homosexual rumpypumpy to marriage. No Islamic country, Jewish country, Hindu country, Buddhist country, Atheist country, --this is not just a Christian issue.
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a scandenavian pastor has already been thrown in the pokey for calling homosexuality an abomination--which is scripturally correct--and attested to by both the old and new testatments.
This was pointed out in the dobson post as well as canadian moves to make any talk against homosexuality a category of of hate speach--punishable by imprisonment.
But you knew that.
Clearly you are on the other side of the culture war.
Nice try.
Why, thank you (I thought it was pretty nice even if I do say so). But how are we not on the same side of the culture war? I approve of your views on religious censorship (against), on homosexual marriages (against) and Dobson being a Nimrod (in favor). What the hey, we agree on everything!
What's the problem?
Some of Dobson's arguments don't fly, because they have already happened! Adoptions and foster care by homosexual couples are already a "right" in many states.
The biggest reason against homosexual marriage, is that it is a sham. The only reason they want to make it legal, is to insult and harrass normal couples. Homosexual men, do NOT want to be monogamous. They have no interest in monogamy. That is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the homosexuals themselves. I have a link on my homepage, which is a real eye opener, on that subject!
Correct, there is little evidence of the effect homosexual unions have on developing children, because the unions are an anomaly.
Yet, on the contrary, study after study has come to the conclusion that children do best being raised in a home where their biological mother and father are married to each other. Children raised in such a home are less likely to kill themselves, drop out of school, abuse alcohol and drugs, be promiscuous or participate in illegal activities.
We know what works! Monogamous marriage between a man and a woman produces better citizens. This should be encouraged, not made a mockery of.
Kids are not experiments. I don't think it is fair to force them to participate in social experimentation!
Homosexuals are not able to reproduce, since it takes both sexes to do so. It is not fair for children to be placed in a home with two same sex sexual partners, in a political attempt to engineer social change in our society.
If the so-called homosexual already has children, then I guess the argument that their "oreintation" is "normal for them"; and "inborn"; does not apply, as they were able to have natural sex....
I think you are mixing up the issue of gay adoption with gay marriage. As to the former, yes, all things being equal, I think preference should be given to a married heterosexual couple. But all things are rarely equal. I don't think there is much evidence that children of gay parents are at all that much of a disadvantage. I suspect most of angst about gay parents is just a reflection of a distaste for gays in general. If you have hard evidence from a reliable source, feel free to post it.
You are on to something here. I have always said the same thing.
If sodomy is okay between a man and a woman, what would be wrong with it between two men?
When Sex is thought of as less than a sanctified union between two married people, and more of a recreational activity between two consenting adults; then there is no argument against homosexuality!
Please accept my deepest sympathy for this tragedy in your family. My heart goes out to this girl's parents. I am so sorry that your niece was seduced by society's lies.
The Bible says that Satan come to rob, kill and destroy. He makes us think that what will kill our body and soul, is really the wise thing to do! It is a strong deception. So sad. So sad.
I think they eat more than "bile".....
He's a hunter? I didn't know that.
You are absolutely correct. But wrong to assume that Dobson does not say these things.
It was the very fact that he saw marriages falling apart and children being hurt by their destruction, that motivated Dobson to form "Focus on the family".
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