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Same-Sex 'Marriage' Issue: Senators on the High Priority Contact List (MUST BE CONTACTED!)
FRC.ORG ^ | July 13, 2004 | James Dobson

Posted on 07/13/2004 8:07:04 AM PDT by thinkahead

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To: swampfox98
Thank you!
61 posted on 07/13/2004 1:01:51 PM PDT by unspun (Mullah M.Moore, come on in and post with us in FR | I'm not "Unspun with AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for this wonderful email from Bill Frist. Making use of it.


62 posted on 07/13/2004 1:06:45 PM PDT by unspun (Posting thru spellcheck eliminates extra white space. | I'm not "Unspun with AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: thinkahead

I've been trying for over a week to get Sen. Warner's office. I think they leave the phone off the hook.


63 posted on 07/13/2004 1:32:04 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: Ligeia

See post #60. I suspects you are wasting your time.


64 posted on 07/13/2004 1:36:03 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
If it is put into the Constitution it cannot be against the Constitution by definition.

You would think.....

Congress cannot limit political speech....We should put something in the Constitution about that....

65 posted on 07/13/2004 1:40:29 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: OldPossum

I sure hope you're right about his not running again. We've tried several times to get rid of him to no avail. George Allen's office said initially they were uncommitted but supposedly are now on board.

Warner is unpredictable. Who know, he may show up and vote with us on this one.


66 posted on 07/13/2004 1:41:36 PM PDT by Ligeia
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George Allen's office said initially they were uncommitted but supposedly are now on board.

That should not read they but he is now on board, of course.

67 posted on 07/13/2004 1:47:17 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon; Bella_Bru

Oh, yes they can, and will.
One can see that happening too: ie, the bill of rights can be used to "interpret" other attempts at Constitutional Legislating.

The problem is that people's MARITAL status and arrangements are NOT delineated as part of the FEDERAL government's realm of authority. Marriage is largely a religious event, and should have NEVER been subject to anything other than religious organizatons. ANY attempt to impose what COULD be interpreted as a religious definition or restriction on marriage, specific to the majority definition in the USA... will eventually go down in flames.

Marriage should have NEVER been subject to definition or defense: of, by or for, the state.

God joins a man and woman together... not the state.

By the time this is over, we will end up LOSING the right to be married under our own religious convictions... as to some degree or another, SOME group in DC will see our "religious" vows as a threat to the sovereignty of the federal or several states.

We need to get government OUT of families, marriage, and education... OR simply surrender to a centralized SOVIET state that dictates every condition, relationship, contract and belief system.

You cannot balance an all powerful state's demands, against the weight of an individual's convictions. Someone in the state will ALWAYS find a way to see that the needs of the many, overrule the choices, freedoms and rights... of the few.

We don't need to give the FEDS permission to interfere with marriage anymore than it already has via the hijacking of civil family law... custody, visitation, alimony and childsupport are now ALL federal matters, under some circumstances. And those "circumstances" are randomly enforced, to direct social policies of the state... the FEDERAL state.

it's wrong to give governmen ONE MORE IOTA of power than it alread has and we need to, in fact, GET RID of it's level of control and influence as quickly and thoroughly as is humanly possible.

It is clearly going too far with the legislation, and attempts at constitutional codification of the majority's belief system on the "heathen" of our nation. Tomorrow, the definition of what is FEDERALLY controlled will certainly be greater than it is today.

WE need a cap on the powers of the nannystate.


68 posted on 07/13/2004 2:03:47 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Ligeia
I've been trying for over a week to get Sen. Warner's office. I think they leave the phone off the hook.

Over the past years, I am convinced that is exactly what they do. The number is always busy all day long. So, I called his Richmond office and e-mailed him at his web page e-mail section. Senator Allen's office answered right away and he is voting for it.

69 posted on 07/13/2004 2:27:01 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("Only one life to live and soon it is past, and only what was done for Jesus Christ shall last")
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To: Ligeia; OldPossum
I sure hope you're right about his not running again. We've tried several times to get rid of him to no avail.

I called my Representative, Virgil Goode (R-VA 5th district) at his local office concerning the Federal Marriage Amendment, The Constitution Restoration Act, and the Houses of Worship Political Protection Act and he is on board for all of them. I then got into a discussion about our Senators with his office manager and according to him, Warner will run again. I told him that I was satisfied with Senator Allen, but Senator Warner was to liberal for my taste. the manager is of the opinion that Warner will win hands down every time until he retires.

I guess Senator John Warner is our (Virginians) Arlen Specter. Virginia needs a Rick Santorum type to replace John Warner, just like Pennsylvania needs a Pat Toomey to replace their Arlen Specter.

70 posted on 07/13/2004 2:44:37 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("Only one life to live and soon it is past, and only what was done for Jesus Christ shall last")
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To: Geist Krieger
I called his Richmond office

Did his Richmond office give you any indication of his position?

71 posted on 07/13/2004 2:44:43 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: Ligeia
Did his Richmond office give you any indication of his position?

Nope, she just took my information and thanked me. I now know that I should have asked.... Doh! Oh-wah-tay-dunce-eye-yam!

72 posted on 07/13/2004 2:48:43 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("Only one life to live and soon it is past, and only what was done for Jesus Christ shall last")
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To: Geist Krieger
I nominate Virgil Goode to challenge Sen. Warner. Maybe Mike Farris will do it. What a race that would be!
73 posted on 07/13/2004 2:49:00 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: Faith

I called Voinovich and Dewine's cleveland offices today. The responses I got were "Dewine is undecided" and "Voinovich believes in traditional marraige"


74 posted on 07/13/2004 3:16:48 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (vote Democrat, it beats working for a living)
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To: thinkahead

I contacted my Senators on Friday because it is my duty. But they are both super-libs who are publicly backing the que_ --uh, I mean "gays".


75 posted on 07/13/2004 3:25:43 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Michael Reagan is pro-Serbian, too!!)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

Marriage has ALWAYS been subject to definition or defense: of, by or for, the state, king, ruler, chieftan, clanleader, etc.

Marriage is not a religious institution, but a social one recoginized and regulated by the rulers/leaders of whatever society you'd care to study.

While every religion has a ceremony celebrating or formalizing 2 individuals participation in the social institution and in some societies the role of governing marriages may in fact be ascribed to religious authorities, but this does not make them the sole purveyors or arbiters of the institution in all societies.

The constitution is going to be ammended, the question is by whom? Us, through our elected leaders and the ballot box, or by an overweening, tyrannical judiciary?


76 posted on 07/13/2004 3:30:13 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Pray for our troops, that our domestic enemies would be silenced AND impeach the 9th! Please!)
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To: OldPossum
He is not going to run again.

Well, at least that's something we can be thankful for. He doesn't represent the views of the majority of VA's people. I don't know why he kept being re-elected. Mostly because of typical apathy on the part of Christian voters I suppose.

77 posted on 07/13/2004 3:37:14 PM PDT by epow (An embryo isn't potential human life, it's human life with potential.)
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To: Valpal1

EXACTLY....
wrong that is.
before there can ever be a "state" a "clan" or ANY social order, there has to be marriage, covenant and family.

Were every government on the planet to dissolve overnight, my wife and kids would still be EXACTLY what they are: my wife and kids... because the STATE gains its right to EXIST from ME and MY FAMILY... and NEVER the opposite.

If the existence of the state does not change my family, it follows that the STATE is NOT the arbiter of family relations. Period.

Nice try.
But the idea that STATES are the foundation for, or providers of marital status is clearly wrong.
States have acknowleged marriage because it is a precursor to their existance... and they have ZERO authority to regulate it... for without PEOPLE and their Family Relations that supercede and predate the state... there would be NO state to exist.

Common law marriage is enforceable and acknowledged by the state, in virtually all family law courts because COMMON LAW predates and supercedes our state and local laws regarding marriage. Live with a woman as a male for six months in almost any place on the planet and the familial responsibilities for that relationship are acknowledged and enforced almost EVERY WHERE on the planet.

The constitution of the FEDERAL state will never be allowed to regulate the existance of the very foundational institutions and forms that make it's existance possible.

Only a FOOL would try.
GET the feds out of civil matters, altogether or alternativelyl face certain civil disobedience and irresistable overthrow.

People are tired of government regulating every thing.
Family included.
The religionists will learn this, as they continue to push for a "Christian Nation" to be codified in our national laws.

It will never happen.
We need to get over it and get about the business of changing hearts, instead of continually seeking new means and authorities to FEDERALLY criminalize behaviors we find offensive and disgusting. And I do find homosexual behaviors and relationships extremely disgusting.

States don't marry people.
They do want to get a piece of the pie, and some control when they do however.

WE need less government.
85 percent less...



There are about 120 words or less in the ten commandments.
A few thousand in the constitution.

There are now over 300,000 words regulating the growing and distribution of watermelons in the USA. Millions of lines of text regulating the collection of taxes and on and on it goes.

The whole damn thing is topheavy from its own dead weight, and the continual accumulation of new laws to satisfy the "please codify my religion as law" crowd, is doing NOTHING to actually change our culture.

Change comes from within ONLY.
Get off the addiction to nanny statism.
It's not our Savior.


78 posted on 07/13/2004 4:49:59 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: thinkahead

Sorry. Can't be a factor here. Clinton and Schumer have their minds made up already.


79 posted on 07/13/2004 6:59:14 PM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: unspun
Here's my email to Senators Durbin and Fitzgerald:

Dear Senator Durbin/Fitzgerald,

I feel strongly you should vote in favor of the Marriage Amendment, which restricts marriage to only a man and a woman.

Despite arguments that this is a civil rights issue, it is not. Marriage has been defined as between a man and a woman for thousands of years and is thus defined in every dictionary you may pick. Marriage is a religious institution that the state has supported through benefits because of its good effect upon society. Married people live longer, are more prosperous, and happier. Married people are less likely to commit crimes than single people, especially single men.

There is no such thing as a homosexual marriage. That would require a church to create such a thing as a doctrine. Then the state would have to recognize it as equivalent as a heterosexual marriage. That would require passing a law.

The Massachusetts Supreme Court created law by fiat by ignoring the plain meaning of their own state constitution. Massachusetts has one of the oldest constitutions in the US and no court has seen a "right" to homosexual marriage until this one. The people of Massachusetts have the authority to create a law recognizing homosexual marriage--the court does not.

Homosexual advocacy groups will seek to use the Full Faith and Commerce clause to make homosexual marriage recognized across the United States. The defense of marriage act does not intervene in states rights--they can still create their own laws. It merely restores the universally understood meaning of marriage before the abhorrent decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Court invented a new meaning.

I await your vote. I will work against your re-election if you vote against this amendment.

Sincerely,

Jeffry J. Smith
80 posted on 07/13/2004 7:35:08 PM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (The Passion of the Christ--the top non-fiction movie of all time)
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