Posted on 07/13/2004 8:07:04 AM PDT by thinkahead
Bump!
You may need to get local office numbers, most of the DC offices have went to voicemail.
Are you from West Chicago?
May I postulate that if you and your wife/family were the only existing humans that you would be the de facto "clanleader" and making the rules governing marriage irrespective of whether you had any religious convictions at all.
Marriage is not a religious institution, but a civil one and therefore under the purvue of the civil authorities, you know, the dread government.
Saying the state has zero right to regulate it is laughable, since it is the state (family law court) that is called upon to enforce it. (Hah, now they just preside over it's destruction).
And We, the people, through our elected reps have every right to define it and overturn the usurpation of the courts.
Your demands that the state get out of civil relationships is a non sequitur and not reality based.
When are Republicans gonna show some real cajones and force a real filibuster? In other words, when are Republicans going to act like they are the majority party?
Can this please stay in breaking news? We're remodeling and I have just a few minutes online...I accidentally stumbled upon the post. This is arguably 'the most' important issue that will ever be decided in America.
Pleeeezzzzzzeeee
Its early and I may be reading it wrong, but what I got from your post is basically the government should get out of and has no proper authority in matters of marriage. Correct?
If so, then without question gays can get married, as can polygamists and others who are not in a traditional man/women relationship.
This I disagree with.
..and Nelson's office took my zip code--(which will show I have been a voter in his district for over 30 years!
Graham's handlers didn't bother with a zip code......
I'm not holding my breath over either....they're Dems!!!!
Nelson fooled many of us years ago when he first ran for office....I cannot bear to hear or see him now!!!
..and a real person answered the phone and said they were tallying reponses from the callers.
<> I agree! Sure is hard to believe theres another reasonable explanation for condoning a deviant perverse sexual behavior. It boggles my mind how many Americans have bought into the idea that sexual deviants deserve a legal minority status and equal rights.
BUMP
Marriage is not a religious institution
The United States is not a theocracy.
Marriage is a civil social institution in this country and is about to be hijacked by runaway courts while you mewl your pernicious theories.
The Federal Constitution can be ammended to govern how the Federal government will define it and treat its participants and what benefits/responsibilities it will assign to it for federal purposes (including federal courts). It needs to be done, although I'd be just as happy to accompany it with an impeachment of a judge or two or three.
Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote
The 50-48 roll call by which the Senate blocked a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Supporters of the amendment fell 12 votes short of the 60 they needed to advance the bill.
On this vote, a "yes" vote was a vote to advance the measure and a "no" vote was a vote to stop it.
Voting "yes" were 3 Democrats and 45 Republicans.
Voting "no" were 43 Democrats, 6 Republicans and 1 Independent.
X denotes those not voting.
Democrats Yes
Byrd, W.Va.; Miller, Ga.; Nelson, Neb.
Democrats No
Akaka, Hawaii; Baucus, Mont.; Bayh, Ind.; Biden, Del.; Bingaman, N.M.; Boxer, Calif.; Breaux, La.; Cantwell, Wash.; Carper, Del.; Clinton, N.Y.; Conrad, N.D.; Corzine, N.J.; Daschle, S.D.; Dayton, Minn.; Dodd, Conn.; Dorgan, N.D.; Durbin, Ill.; Feingold, Wis.; Feinstein, Calif.; Graham, Fla.; Harkin, Iowa; Hollings, S.C.; Inouye, Hawaii; Johnson, S.D.; Kennedy, Mass.; Kohl, Wis.; Landrieu, La.; Lautenberg, N.J.; Leahy, Vt.; Levin, Mich.; Lieberman, Conn.; Lincoln, Ark.; Mikulski, Md.; Murray, Wash.; Nelson, Fla.; Pryor, Ark.; Reed, R.I.; Reid, Nev.; Rockefeller, W.Va.; Sarbanes, Md.; Schumer, N.Y.; Stabenow, Mich.; Wyden, Ore.
Democrats Not Voting
Edwards, N.C.; Kerry, Mass.
Republicans Yes
Alexander, Tenn.; Allard, Colo.; Allen, Va.; Bennett, Utah; Bond, Mo.; Brownback, Kan.; Bunning, Ky.; Burns, Mont.; Chambliss, Ga.; Cochran, Miss.; Coleman, Minn.; Cornyn, Texas; Craig, Idaho; Crapo, Idaho; DeWine, Ohio; Dole, N.C.; Domenici, N.M.; Ensign, Nev.; Enzi, Wyo.; Fitzgerald, Ill.; Frist, Tenn.; Graham, S.C.; Grassley, Iowa; Gregg, N.H.; Hagel, Neb.; Hatch, Utah; Hutchison, Texas; Inhofe, Okla.; Kyl, Ariz.; Lott, Miss.; Lugar, Ind.; McConnell, Ky.; Murkowski, Alaska; Nickles, Okla.; Roberts, Kan.; Santorum, Pa.; Sessions, Ala.; Shelby, Ala.; Smith, Ore.; Specter, Pa.; Stevens, Alaska; Talent, Mo.; Thomas, Wyo.; Voinovich, Ohio; Warner, Va.
Republicans No
Campbell, Colo.; Chafee, R.I.; Collins, Maine; McCain, Ariz.; Snowe, Maine; Sununu, N.H.
Others No
Jeffords, Vt.
Thanks for the roll call vote. The SIX dim-wit RINOS need to hear the wrath of the voters. What they will get however are most likely unopposed primaries...sigh!! Slouching toward SODOM and GOREMORON....this thread is officially done!!
Some of those senators are totally lost causes -- Patty Murray, are you kidding? Evan Bayh? -- LOL!
OTOH, Hagel should be pretty stout.
Lincoln is a Klintoon clone. Young Pryor is pretty much one too, so forget Arkinsaw.
Didn't Boxer just barely squeak by against a well-heeled Asian-American 'Pubbie last time?
No doubt she is the "Goremoron" of whom you speak. I've heard her IQ knocked before -- she does it all on feeeeeeeeeeeelllllings!
Kinda like Babs.
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