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To: truthandlife
Lots of people say they are against homosexual "marriage" but when push comes to shove only a minority really care enough to try and actually do anything about it. The moral rot has spread far enough and weakened the national character enough that just about anything is open for discussion these days. The democrat party will NOT disavow homosexual "rights" or homosexual "marriage". The public will NOT rise up to end this and the democrats will discover that their stance on the issue is not the liability it at first appears to be. The courts will continue to advance the homosexual agenda; the politicians will continue to dance around the issue and in another few years (I predict by 2009) homosexual "marriage" will be the norm and those opposing it will be seen as extremist kooks and religious fanatics. I think that by 2010 homosexuals will receive the same legal preferences here that they do in many European countries and in Canada and opposition to their agenda will be effectively muzzled because it will mean large fines and/or jail time to oppose it.

I am feeling a bit pessimistic today.
14 posted on 07/13/2004 10:51:57 AM PDT by scory
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To: scory

It is neither pessimistic nor paranoid to properly describe the agenda of our enemies as you have done here.


17 posted on 07/13/2004 10:57:46 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: scory

I think you are right on. I think God has given this nation over to its own depravity.

God's Wrath Against Mankind

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


18 posted on 07/13/2004 11:06:50 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: scory

I think you are right on. I think God has given this nation over to its own depravity.

God's Wrath Against Mankind (Romans 1)

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


19 posted on 07/13/2004 11:07:56 AM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: scory

Don't give up hope! All is not lost yet. The more people wake up to the truth of what the homosexuals have planned for us, the more people will realize the extreme gravity of the situation and become courageous and determined. FR is an excellent tool to learn the truth, and we should all try to spread the word - about FR, and the truth that is to be found here.

Check the Homosexual Agenda Archives, or Scripter's Index of articles* (he or EdReform usually post links, they're off duty right now!) and copy, email, or print out some of the awesome information they've collected. Send it to your email address book (watch out, you may become a black sheep...), print some out and distribute them at church, synagogue, at family gatherings, clubs, and so on. People who don't read FR or the other conservative websites or magazines often are completely in the dark about what is really happening.

Enlighten them! And you'd be amazed at how the sleeping giant may awaken. If those of us who are concerned about the "gay" jihad try to let others know the truth, and then THEY do the same, who knows what the result may be?

*Just do a search on scripter and find his profile page, it's all there!


21 posted on 07/13/2004 11:15:59 AM PDT by little jeremiah ("You're possibly the most ignorant, belligerent, and loathesome poster on FR currently." - tdadams)
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To: scory

You are most probably right. The opposition doesn't want to be vilified and alot of Christians hide behind "the Bible tells us not to judge others".


22 posted on 07/13/2004 11:26:58 AM PDT by Jaded (Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain)
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To: scory

"The courts will continue to advance the homosexual agenda; the politicians will continue to dance around the issue and in another few years (I predict by 2009) homosexual "marriage" will be the norm and those opposing it will be seen as extremist kooks and religious fanatics."

Except for homosexual marriage being the norm, everything you said here is already true. Anyone opposing homosexual marriage now, is already viewed as extremist and fanatical.


49 posted on 07/13/2004 1:34:50 PM PDT by ChevyZ28 (Let's call it what it is. Abortion is murder by another name.)
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