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Gay couples sue for right to wed
St. Petersburg Times ^ | July 13, 2004 | GRAHAM BRINK, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 07/13/2004 3:25:20 PM PDT by Jacquerie

TAMPA -- Sue Clayton and Sheila Serrao met at church nine years ago.

Three years later, Serrao's dad walked her down the aisle at the couple's commitment ceremony. The day was a "dream come true," Serrao said.

But as a gay couple, the state does not allow the two Sarasota women to legally marry. Florida law defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

On Monday, the couple moved to change the law.

Led by their attorney and surrounded by members of local and national gay rights groups, Clayton and Serrao filed a lawsuit in Hillsborough Circuit Court asking that the state's restriction on gay marriage be ruled unconstitutional.

The couple filed the suit immediately after the Hillsborough County clerk's office followed the state law and refused to issue them a marriage license.

"I'm excited," Serrao said. "We are doing something instead of sitting at home complaining about not having any rights."

Clayton, a librarian, and Serrao, an electrician, said they did not want any special marriage rights, just the same rights heterosexual couples enjoy. Legally married couples can share in their spouses' Social Security, health and pension survivor benefits. They also receive some tax deductions not available to gay couples.

"We are here today because we are a family," Clayton said. "The fact that we are two women does not diminish our love."

Also listed as plaintiffs in the suit are Randall Smith and Cody Whitman, a gay couple from Tampa. They did not attend the news conference Monday.

The lawsuit coincides with a debate in the U.S. Senate over a proposed constitutional amendment to outlaw same-sex marriages. The proposed change would state, "Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman."

President George W. Bush supports the proposed amendment. He has said same-sex marriages would undermine the sanctity of the institution.

Robin Tyler, a co-founder of DontAmend.com, a group fighting the amendment, came to Tampa to support Clayton and Serrao. The national gay rights leader criticized Bush for playing to the religious right.

"He knows the amendment won't pass. We know the states will not accept it," she said. "He is only doing it to score political points."

Although polls show that most Americans oppose same-sex marriage, there is less support for amending the Constitution to ban it.

Tampa businessman Mark Bias was among about a half-dozen friends gathered near Kennedy Boulevard and Dale Mabry Highway to wave flags and anti-Bush signs during rush-hour traffic Monday afternoon. Bias has been with his gay partner for 27 years.

"In the eyes of Bush, we're second-class citizens," Bias said.

Some passing motorists honked in support. Others made obscene gestures. One woman yelled, "Jesus saves!"

Clayton and Serrao's lawyer, Ellis Rubin, also represents gay clients in similar suits in Broward, Palm Beach and Orange counties.

Nearly 30 years ago, Rubin represented singer Anita Bryant, who vigorously campaigned against antidiscrimination laws for gays. Rubin said Monday he has since changed his thinking. He is handling the recent lawsuits for free. He called it his "penance."

Based in Miami, Rubin has made a name for himself for his unique, though not always successful, defenses, including the "television intoxication defense." He also has been criticized for grandstanding.

Some gay rights groups have questioned his sincerity in filing the suits, wondering aloud whether now is a good time to attack the law. Rubin said Monday that the time has come for the law to change.

Rubin said he also plans to file a lawsuit on behalf of another Florida gay couple who recently married in Massachusetts, a state that allows gay marriage. The suit will ask a judge to require Florida to recognize the marriage, just as the state already recognizes heterosexual marriages performed in other states.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anarchy; attackingmarriage; gay; godsjudgement; homosexualagenda; homosexualbehavior; lawlessness; lawsuit; marriage; mememeculture; popculture; prisoners; protectthefamily; romans1; sadnotgay; samesexmarriage; sodom; sue; vice; wagesofsin
Our United States used to be a republic.
1 posted on 07/13/2004 3:25:21 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

Its a cheap political stunt. Liberals keep overplaying their hand in a blatant effort to offend the greatest number of people possible.


2 posted on 07/13/2004 3:30:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jacquerie

Yeah. We couldn't keep it.


3 posted on 07/13/2004 3:31:10 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - The Tsunami of Sewage, coming your way. :-(

It's getting worse. The homosexual shoving-down-our-throats crowd are going for the jugular, it seems. They're crazed, they're on a roll, and they have to be taken seriously.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


4 posted on 07/13/2004 3:34:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("You're possibly the most ignorant, belligerent, and loathesome poster on FR currently." - tdadams)
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To: Jacquerie
Go ahead, let them wed the government, let them get on the government roles, while hetro's will abide by their church rulings. If all normal folks forgo the government's approval, (ohhh that coveted piece of 'official paper') only gays would be registered. Let them be socked with the taxes (and registration). The only ceremony that matters is between me, my spouse and God. The government's only reason for getting into the marriage business is for generating taxes.
5 posted on 07/13/2004 3:37:22 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
The government's only reason for getting into the marriage business is for generating taxes

That makes no sense. The reason gov't is involved is to impose obligations on spouses who can produce children so that the state doesn't end up being responsible.

6 posted on 07/13/2004 3:43:26 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion

Can't your church do that? The state need to be responible for children? Why not your church community? The state didn't produce children, God did, and the state produces an entire business of social welfare. The churches should have more say, the government less. Bottom line, government is way to intrusive in our lives, let the gays be registered and have a government wedding. God will sort out those who violate his teachings.


7 posted on 07/13/2004 3:48:50 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

not all belong to my church


8 posted on 07/13/2004 3:54:43 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion

No, we belong to many churches. Seperation of church and state, and all that. The government should not be involved in a religious ceremony.


9 posted on 07/13/2004 4:19:55 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Jacquerie

This is how they plan to get these laws changed, by going through the courts. They know that folks won't vote for homosexual marriage, so they're by passing us! All they have to do is find a sympathetic State Supreme court, like we know Florida's is!


10 posted on 07/13/2004 4:30:40 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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To: Jacquerie; little jeremiah; *Homosexual Agenda

Also in the news: Pigs sue for right to fly!


11 posted on 07/13/2004 5:58:12 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Indy Pendance
The government should not be involved in a religious ceremony.

Its not. Its involved in imposing oligations on parents who abandon children and spouses. Nothing religious about it and absolutely necessary so to insulate the rest of us from the careless.

12 posted on 07/13/2004 7:08:43 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Indy Pendance
"The government's only reason for getting into the marriage business is for generating taxes."

While doing a historical search on that (since I haven't seen any cited evidence from Libertarians who argue it), I found that there was a short period during which people in the American colonies refused to get marriage licenses to avoid an English tax. But even then, the people recorded marriages, and courts severely punished anyone who violated them. Before and after that short time of rebellion, marriage licenses were publicly recorded by the government.

The government has been in the marriage business all along. See the Law given to Moses.

After the marriage contract can be broken with no penalty to the divorcers in an increasingly pagan society like ours, it's a matter of short time before marriage and family are finished.

The Presumption Against Marriage

The Presumption Against Marriage, Part II
13 posted on 07/14/2004 3:25:02 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: VRWC_minion
"Its involved in imposing oligations on parents who abandon children and spouses."

It's involved in doing the opposite of that and has been for long time.

Under no-fault divorce law, the courts most often impose obligations against the parents who do not wish to abandon their families. And in the process of doing so, the officers of those courts, along with their gangs (social workers, psychologists, et al) steal the children's inheritances.
14 posted on 07/14/2004 3:32:09 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Jacquerie; All
Polygamy is not far behind. I mean seriously why does a couple have to be two people only? Why not three, four or five?

Saudi petro-dollars at work to make our eventual transition go more smoothly.

15 posted on 07/14/2004 3:39:14 AM PDT by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: familyop

It started with imposing obligations and it has been devolving from there. The gay marrieds will use the courts to avoid there own responsibilities and will hasten the destruction of "marriage as an obligation".


16 posted on 07/14/2004 6:21:56 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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