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To: spunkets
He must withhold fire until he has a clear shot.

So he should have waited until the bad guy had gotten away and killed the woman.

Again, just to make it clear: Mr. Beck's obligation is to withhold fire until others are not in the line of fire.

He would not have gotten another shot. So is it better that the murderer is dead and the other woman injured, or would it be better if the murderer got away and killed the woman and who knows who else?

"Whatever damages occur as a result of good guys fighting back are dwarfed by what would happen if the good guys were banned from fighting back."

Mr. Beck gave them a valid concern regarding this form of effective self defense. He displayed a notable level of incompetence, that he should have been aware of, and had no justification for firing at the woman.

He was just shot in the head. That probably affect his level of competance. Given that someone who was just shot in the head will probably not be in a good position to immediately judge how it has affected them, it would seem that one must either rule that imperfect judgement by someone who was just shot in the head is excusable, or that anyone shot in the head has a duty to avoid any efforts to attack the shooter. Frankly, I'd rather go with the former.

76 posted on 07/24/2004 2:03:51 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
" So he should have waited until the bad guy had gotten away and killed the woman."

Predictions and claims regarding the future are empty and are not a valid foundation to justify shooting at someone. Mr Beck should have decided that there was nothing he could do w/o a clear shot.

" He would not have gotten another shot."

Given Mr. Beck's primary motivation of getting the SOB that shot him, I'm sure he would have been disappointed. Too bad, he had no justification to shoot at the woman.

"So is it better that the murderer is dead and the other woman injured, or would it be better if the murderer got away and killed the woman and who knows who else?"

Clairvoyance is not reality.

" He was just shot in the head. That probably affect his level of competance."

His competence amounts to pray and spray, it was never any different. If it was, that concern for where the bullets go, and looking out for others that might be in the line of fire would have been his natural reaction in this case. I'm sure the perforated woman has nominated this clown for the "Clymer of the Year Award". I second that.

77 posted on 07/24/2004 2:24:23 PM PDT by spunkets
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