VANITY: Swift Boat Question

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[savedbygrace]

Ah, yes. Immediately after I posted, I thought of posting an addendum with exactly that alternative.

[unsycophant]

Are you limited? I only ask because you don't seem able to follow along very well. I'm sorry. I will exhibit some of the compassionate conservatism the right is famous for, and try to explain this to you in simple terms you can understand.

bartcop is where I believe the Corsi remarks were compiled first. I'm not going to link you because I think you're capable of at least navigating to their site and looking it up.

On bartcop, an ID called "backlash2" posted some remarks about FR, FRN, BobJ, and Mr. Corsi. 'backlash' also provided a copy of some comments about Corsi that appeared on the antifreeper site, (I know you already have the url, so again I won't bother linking you) and he linked to the original posting at the AF site.

The author at antifreepers was "Dung Beetle", who has been banned from FR as Mojo, Hon, Philistine, and one or two more IDs in the past few days. He has been identified as "Mojo" the last two times, by Jim or John. I trust them to be right.

On bartcop, this is how the thread begins:

"backlash2 Thu Aug-05-04Member since Jan 31st 2003 238 posts

----->> "Freerepublic/Swiftboat connection?" <<------

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Further along, this is part of the post that was copied from the antifreeper site, as originating from "Mojo" or "dung" as he is called now:

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backlash2 Thu Aug-05-04 02:58 PM Member since Jan 31st 2003 238 posts From the anti-kookers site: ((link to antifreepers here))

((snip.......))Corsi is a Freeper and a bit of a flake. He was a factor in my being banned.

Other bartcop comments appear as follows:

"Game. Set, Match!!"Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 PM by monkeyfister

WOW! Great nose for that FReeper stink, Backlash! Get this to MediaMatters.com and the Truth Squad... CALL MIKE MALLOY! Or EMail him the goodies.

Somebody should send this to Kerry's Truth Squad. Free Republic is a sleezy organization with a history of breaking the law and harassing and threatening people. It should be pointed out that Bush's people are working with these creeps.

"OK, To Whom Do We Write to Send This?"

Who wants to write a letter?

Mike Malloy: mike@mikemalloy.comRandi Rhodes: rrhodes@airamericaradio.com

Media Matters: mm-tips@mediamatters.org

Atrios: atrios@comcast.net

Bart: bartcop@bartcop.com

Some single person needs to scrape Backlash's stuff into one letter... This needs to get to AT LEAST the folks above. Probably more.

This must rise to where it needs to go. They NEED to be exposed

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PeteHisey Thu Aug-05-04 10017 posts

"I already took care of mediamatters..." And LibertyPost, too, for that matter. Thanks for all your BRAVE work, backlash.

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RatTerrier Thu Aug-05-04Member since Aug 05th 2004

Hey, just wanted to let you know this is all over Democratic Underground: ((edited link))

Thanks for the awesome detective work, guys!

I just had to forward the link to your thread to Media Matters, Kerry's offical message board, and hell, I even sent it to Drudge.

Nice job!

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In answer to your question about a source and links, yes I do have a source and links. See above.

In answer to your question about why Brock from MediaMatters didn't mention where he got this information about Corsi--I don't know. Ask him. Ditto for Kerr with AP.

You appear to go from thread to thread demanding that people explain facts that are obvious. Why are you MORE CONCERNED with how Freepers are smearing the liberals who organized to get Mr. Corsi, than with what has been done to FR and Corsi and the SBVs? You persist in following me around demanding that I account to you for my remarks and insult me by accusing me of 'smearing' anonymous IDs without any proof, but there IS proof-you just don't seem to understand it. Or don't want to.

Go badger the liberals for a while and leave me and others who are following this story, alone. We aren't the enemy, but you don't seem to get that.

[A Jovial Cad]

Thanks for documenting this so well.
It's amazing to me that a disgruntled former member is so bitter he persists in helping the smear artists of the Left go after a Freeper. Amazing, pathetic, and sad...

[Anti-Bubba182]

"Freerepublic/Swiftboat connection?"(Thu Aug-05-04 12:29 PM)

"RE: I already took care of mediamatters..."(First Mention of jrlc on thread Thu Aug-05-04 03:38 PM)

"Does "Unfit for Command" co-author post at FR under nick "jrlc"?"(Thu Aug-05-04 02:58 PM)

MMFA investigates: Who is Jerome Corsi, co-author of Swift Boat Vets attack book?(Posted to the web on Friday August 6, 2004 at 6:20 PM EST)

I don't think Mojo/Hon/Dung.. etc is backlash2 at bartcop. He is a strong supporter of Bush and I truly believe he would eat hot coals rather than deliberately damage the Swift Boat Vets effort.

If he wanted to out Corsi's FR name, it would have been a simple matter to send earlier links to posts where Corsi or others outed his FR name and Google the incriminating posts rather than go through a Bartcop name.

But, since backlash2 specifically referenced a particular Anti Kooking post, it does look like backlash2 probably did discover the information at the Anti Kooking site and forwarded this to MediaMatters and others, although it appeared at FR earlier.

[unsycophant]

What portion of my post states that I believe Mojo is backlash2 at bartcop? I appreciate that you are willing to come to his defense and vouch for him, but I really think you should reread the context in which he was mentioned. (hardly)

Backlash2 merely copied a post from Mojo's anti-kooking Free Republic site and put it on b/cop to support the statements about Corsi. I simply pointed it out. That's all. I am not sure how you arrived at the conclusion you did.

BL2 seems to know a lot about FR, FRN, and its participants here such as BobJ, Danger, Swett, how the SBVs and FRN networks are (not) hosted by the same servers, and so on. It's pretty interesting to know that someone certainly does keep up with FR.

I also found it interesting to see another personality was very familiar with LP enough to say "I've got LP covered". Boy--those coppers get around and have no qualms about trying to use one site to bash the next.

Finally, thanks for all those links. I didn't care to include them earlier, but in retrospect I should have, along with the links to the other quotes and posts too.

[aruanan]

One of the authors of a new anti-John Kerry book frequently posted comments on a conservative Web site describing Muslims and Catholics as pedophiles and Pope John Paul II as senile.

Well, one and a half out of two, huh?

[Syncro]

Where? Do you have a source? Do you have a link to this?

Why don't you post the links?

[Sabertooth]

Why don't you post the links?

Do you have any specific requests?

[Syncro]

No, you did.

Nice dodge.

Put up.

Or have some more catnip...

[Sabertooth]

No, you did.

Nice dodge.

Put up.

Here's how it works:

When a poster makes a claim, that poster has a responsiblity to post links. I accept that responsibility. It's called the burden of proof.

To what claim of mine would you like links?

[Syncro]

Here's how it works:

When a poster makes a claim, that poster has a responsiblity(sic) to post links. I accept that responsibility.

That is your opinion of how it works.

Your condescension is duly noted. I have never known a male that could do it so well. But I don't know you, perhaps you are a woman. NP.

Responsibility ?

Cute. Take some. See below.

Where? Do you have a source? Do you have a link to this?

Sorry, I don't play that game. You know the links. If you want them posted, then post them. Surely with all the time you spend on the www, you must know the sites you post to (DUH) and I am sure the ones that talk about you.

LOL yea go ahead, ask me for the links. Post 'em yerself if you want to see them on FR.

When a poster makes a claim, that poster has a responsiblity(sic) to post links. I accept that responsibility. It's called the burden of proof.

To what claim of mine would you like links?

Well I am glad you asked. How about links to this claim?

... Or is this just another smear of yours...

Insinuating that the poster to which you posted to has smeared repeatedly.

Links please as you requested. It is in bold above.

[Sabertooth]

Insinuating that the poster to which you posted to has smeared repeatedly.

Sheesh, why didn't you spit it out earlier?

I insinuated no such thing. I'm saying it outright.

unsychophant had posts pulled for their smears on a couple of threads this weekend. On one, she managed to stir up enough crap that before being rebuked by a Mod there (not to be confused with the occasion at #85 here) that the whole thread was taken down.

Here are those links:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1186749/posts?page=11#11

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103762/posts?page=276#276

Since in the one case the post is pulled, and in the other the thread is gone, you'll need to scroll down and read the replies to confirm that the deleted post #11 on that thread was from her. Look here for more verifying links.

If you need more confirmation, TC99 can provide it. She was on the thread that was deleted, and was posting circles around u/s.

See how easy that was? Just make a specific request for links, and I comply.

[Sabertooth]

Are you limited? I only ask because you don't seem able to follow along very well. I'm sorry. I will exhibit some of the compassionate conservatism the right is famous for, and try to explain this to you in simple terms you can understand.

bartcop is where I believe the Corsi remarks were compiled first. I'm not going to link you because I think you're capable of at least navigating to their site and looking it up.

< -snip- >

In answer to your question about a source and links, yes I do have a source and links. See above.

Let me see if follow:

You said "I'm not going to link you," and you didn't, then concluded by saying that you "had" the links, as though that indicated you were forthcoming.

Since you didn't, someone else had to do it for you. When they did, the excerpted post that was the fulcrum of your rant appears in a different light:

backlash2 Thu Aug-05-04 02:58 PM Member since Jan 31st 2003 238 posts From the anti-kookers site: ((link to antifreepers here))

((snip.......))Corsi is a Freeper and a bit of a flake. He was a factor in my being banned.

Prior to the link to the AK site on that post was this link:

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=jrlc+site%3Afreerepublic.com&btnG=Search

There are 97 results for that Google Search as of this writing, and some of those are undoubtedly more recent than the bartcop post about which we're discussing. Many of those results, though, predate the bartcop post, reveal Corsi's FR screen name, and are sourced back to this forum.

While backlash2 linked to a post at AK, he did so only once, so your statement that the "source even copied posts from another site where a banned FR personality(s) said Corsi played a part in that banning" is an exaggeration at best. There was a single AK link, yet there was a Google link with dozens of FR threads, and another 8 FR and 4 FRN direct links on the bartcop thread.

The bartcop inquiry was not initiated by questions about Corsi, those arose later, but by questions about FR and the Swift Vets which revolved around Scott Swett's involvement with both groups.

I submit that the reason you didn't actually link the bartcop thread is that it reads differently than the spin you posted. The vast bulk of the information posted at bartcop came straight from Free Republic, and even the one bit of information that might be attributed to AK was only posted there after it had been revealed many times at Free Republic.

[philman_36]

("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
I really like your tagline.

[Dales]

I sent you a private response but the overall snarkyness of your post deserves at least one public statement.

"He is all yours now, as I am passing him off to you like a football. Good luck, and Go Team!"

Why you ever thought he was yours to deal with is beyond me. I cannot think of any situation on Free Republic that is yours to control, and therefore you have no situations you can pass off to me or anyone else.

Sometimes, life presents good opportunities to butt out. I am taking those opportunities a lot more often. I think that might not be a bad attitude for you to take as well.

[Sabertooth]

Dales, I wonder if you'd be kind enough to explain to your friend that he's a little behind the times, and that you made another post that he never saw about your retirement as a Mod. Then maybe you could explain why ST turned up at LP ranting on about your being in on an 'anti unsycophant conspiracy'. What does that mean, exactly? I'd like to hear it.

Let's just clear this up, because I don't want to leave Dales with any misimpression, as he has always been cordial and straighforward in any dealings I've had with him.

Over at LP another poster started a since-pulled thread based on some rumors you spawned here on some since-pulled posts. You quickly showed up for some giggles before that thread was also yanked.

jjbrouwer and I exchanged a few comments on that thread about the overall nuttiness of it, and your conduct, and I made a remark about an "anti-unsychophant" conspiracy.

Earthlings would refer to that as "a joke."