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Bush to announce US troop pullouts from Europe, Asia on Monday: report - (100,000)
SpaceWar.com ^ | August 14, 2004

Posted on 08/14/2004 10:17:04 AM PDT by UnklGene

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To: gcruse

Dusting off tagline for appropriate application.........


41 posted on 08/14/2004 11:24:59 AM PDT by spokeshave (strategery + schadenfreude = stratenschadenfreudery)
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To: RoseofTexas

I think this is another perfect example of how much GWB is misunderestimated. This is a master stroke on multiple fronts. It wins political points, raises morale in the military, and I think most importantly keeps us from being spread too thin.
IMHO, we need to remain a legitimate threat to Iran to keep them under control. But I think even more important than that is to free up forces to keep USSR and China from taking advantage of us. I know the cold war is technically over, but Putin is inching closer & closer to being an ex-ally, and China is just waiting for us to be spread too thin to help Taiwan out.


42 posted on 08/14/2004 11:29:47 AM PDT by CThomasFan
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To: RockinRight

Everything we would need to do to North Korea can be done from the sea. The Navy is how the United States projects its power. Ground troops in South Korea are sacrificial lambs.


43 posted on 08/14/2004 11:33:15 AM PDT by jayef
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To: UnklGene
I am so glad to see this happening. Now the europeans can bash away as much as they want and we don't have to listen to it. They can bash as their taxes are raised to outfit their own troops that will be needed to protect themselves, they can bash away as all the families who used to live at the bases pack up and leave (along with their wallets), they can bash away as their own sons and daughters are called on to respond to their little local wars.

Bring em home Dubya.

44 posted on 08/14/2004 11:35:28 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: UnklGene

Sniff, sniff...

Its fun over here in Germany.


46 posted on 08/14/2004 11:46:10 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: McGavin999

I have a view across a meadow up to a small castle sitting on top of a hill when I look out my kitchen, living room and bedroom windows.

And to think, geopolitical concerns come before my personal happiness....


47 posted on 08/14/2004 11:48:48 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: coconutt2000
Not really, it is at best about 2% of their national economy probably less. It will hurt some local economies though. They will just pump money into defense and build up that industry, no doubt eventually selling weapons to our enemies and potential adversaries. We should certainly pull out but no one should get the idea that it will not cause other problems to arise. Nevertheless, if the EU wants to be a world power they need to actually put in the money, time and hard work to become one.

It is time to read the writing on the wall: The EU means to rival us as a strategic power in time. It is best that we realize that now, cease our wishful thinking that we can cajole them into remaining a "junior partner," or for that matter a partner in any true sense of the word, and prepare for the conflicts that must surely come. Certainly we must not subsidize them by undertaking the defense of their homeland whilst they earnestly and ferociously compete with us in the economic, scientific and technological realms. It would clear the air - or at least the rhetoric - if they too clearly saw the true cost of a strategic rivalry with the USA. They seem to think that they can have it both ways.

Both internally and in the world at large, the peoples of the EU are in for a mild shock or two should they actually try to realize their designs for world power. They think that it is easy - really just a matter of more monies, more central control, of just more taxes. Why if those crude, stupid Americicans can do it well just wait until we superior, sophisicated, nuanced Europeans get a crack at it again. We will show those Yanks whatfore!

Brother, are the Europeans in for a surprise! They think that they are still the same Europeans that created the great, golden Europe that we all admire. They think that they can recreate and indeed surpass the great Europe of the 18th and 19th centuries. But that Europe is gone, gone from history as a active, living, vital and creative force. They killed if off themselves almost a hundred years ago. It is not coming back. They shall have to start from scratch. The European does not yet see that.

Four things that could fall out of this could richly amuse Americans:

First, the Euros will find that when the cease to merely nip at the heels of the USA and actually try to act on the world stage that the other peoples of the world will not be all that happy with them. The smug self assuredness and the pompous self importance will quickly melt away once the put armies in the field and they start hearing the cries of "EUro Go Home."

Second, when the do face the real struggle of becoming a true world power we American might actually get some real respect out of the Euros: they may discover that it is not so easy after all.

Third, they think that we are competing as hard with them as they are with us. They will have another thought when we stop pulling punches and go at them full bore as a potential adversary. Other have made this mistake before much to their later regret. Forth, there is real possibility is that they will get themselves in a conflict where the either grossly miscalculate ir outright lose and then find themselves having to ask us to yet again bail them out. Imagine the pleasure we shall have in refusing them?

In line all of this we next need to revisit our strategic policies toward "Old Europe" do we really want to place Germany under our nuclear umbrella? Do we really want to ransom Berlin with New York? Certainly they will not do that for us.

Things should get interesting for the EU if we were to withdraw that guarantee. Would Russia allow a nuclear Germany? Would Eastern Europe? If not then would all of the EU allow France (and perhaps the UK) to provide the nuclear shield? What would our response be to a strategic buildup in the EU?

Interesting times...

We must turn from Europe and build our own unique civilization, build a truly American one. Learn from the past, certainly; preserve what is best in our European heritage and lineage, absolutely. All of this is well and good - we should now realize, however, that Europe has little left to teach us or the broader world at large and that what is does teach is more of an cautionary example than anything otherwise.

We must make our own way. It will be a chalange. It will be wonderful. It will change history.

48 posted on 08/14/2004 11:57:27 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: CasearianDaoist
Like I said, they're going to lose more money from our withdrawal from our EU bases than they ever made from the oil for food scam they collaborated with Saddam on. You read too much into my comment.
49 posted on 08/14/2004 12:03:37 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: McGavin999

BRAVO to President Bush and his Cabinet!

United we stand. Divided we Fall.

As far as Europe, as one French nuance goes, Let Them Eat Cake!


50 posted on 08/14/2004 12:17:02 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: RoseofTexas; UnklGene

My thoughts, exactly!


51 posted on 08/14/2004 12:21:29 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: coconutt2000; First_Salute
American bases provide a huge source of income wherever they are located.

As well as cheap cigarettes and liquor.

52 posted on 08/14/2004 12:23:15 PM PDT by snopercod (Has anybody noticed that Iraq is using Saddam's "God is Great" flag again?)
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To: UnklGene

Too bad we don't have a larger military presence in France; I'd love to watch the newsclips of US dollars marching out of Frogland.


53 posted on 08/14/2004 12:24:00 PM PDT by utahagen
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To: UnklGene

Buh-bye, Europe. Let's see how much you hate the U.S., now that bazillions of dollars won't be poured into your economies through stationed U.S. military and the family and friends who visit them.


54 posted on 08/14/2004 12:26:43 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: RockinRight
"I am concerned about some of the withdrawn troops being from Asia, though, with N. Korea and all that."

Those 37,000 troops are hostage to a North Korea with nukes. Getting them out of there should be a priority. If South Korea with its industrial and financial strength cannot defend itself from a North Korean conventional attack then our 37,000 troopers will not add much to their effort and their presence will be an impetus for the irrational North Korean leader(s) to go nuclear.Besides I am certain that we could find very useful assignments for 2ID and its supporting units.

55 posted on 08/14/2004 12:56:40 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: UnklGene

That is long overdue, and appropriate. I also believe that after being elected another 4 yrs, President Bush, and his cabinet will create a NEW NATO, with our allies in Iraq. Since many of those supported our troops, France has made life misrable for them. D. Rumsfeld has mentioned about 1 yrs ago, that we 'Could' create a NEW Nato Headquarters, with members other than the OLD EUROPE. I think, the time has come - restructering our Military, etc


56 posted on 08/14/2004 1:12:04 PM PDT by Inge C
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To: UnklGene

On the surface, this is really, really hot...


57 posted on 08/14/2004 1:13:52 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Inge C

I'm not fond of the Iraqi leadership and it's Islamicist Constitution, especially in light of yet *ANOTHER* catastrohic US/Iraqi military blunder in Najaf, emboldening, yet again, the enemy.


58 posted on 08/14/2004 1:16:58 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: UnklGene

It has been going around from different sources for a few days now...And I say GOOD...just wish we would pull out of Old Europe all together


59 posted on 08/14/2004 1:17:16 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: basil

Gerhard Schroeder, go f@%# yourself...


Sincerely,

Dubya


60 posted on 08/14/2004 11:41:15 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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