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To: orionblamblam
I consider every non-Theistic moralist to be an irrational hypocrite.

How sad and ill-informed.

How can I be ill informed about my own opinion?

But all kidding aside, if the world is merely a meaningless coincidence then all morality is either subjective personal hang-up or else a mere subjective utilitarian social convention. Where did non-Theists ever get their silly idea that the non-existence of G-d (chas vechalilah!) would only abolish sexual taboos and leave everything else standing? No G-d--no morality. There's only some human beings forcing their hang-ups onto other human beings, which is pretty silly.

In the absence of an Objectively True G-d all that exists are personal subjective moral hang-ups.

Fortunately for society, people like you don't determine these things. It's generally best left to those with a sense of morals and ethics and reason.

Why should any human being determine anything for another human being? Doesn't each human being have the "right" to come up with his own "values system," whether or not it agrees with yours? Oh, I see. You do believe that some human beings have the right to legislate for others. You just oh so modestly place yourself in the category of those "rational" enough to do the legislating. So what's the difference between my objective reality and yours so far as forcing it on other people is concerned other than mine rests on a sound theoretical foundation, whereas yours does not?

You claim to be competant to create a moral code AND invent a Creator... one more level of ridiculousness.

That's funny. I don't recall writing the Torah. I didn't know I was that old! (Though it could explain the way I've been feeling lately.) But I certainly didn't know Hebrew back then (I've only been reading it going on twenty years). Did I write it in English and have somebody translate it for me?

64 posted on 08/19/2004 1:32:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (What part of "lo yihyeh lekhah 'elohim 'acherim `al panay" DON'T you understand???)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

> if the world is merely a meaningless coincidence

Life is only meaningless for theists who need to have someone give them meaning.

> No G-d--no morality.

In a word (and appologies to the tender-eared)... that's utter bullshit. You are vastly ignorant of the real world, and I doubt highly that reason woudl reach you. Your bigotry is beyond such things.

> mine rests on a sound theoretical foundation...

A foundation of primitive goat-herd superstition is NOT terribly sound.


67 posted on 08/19/2004 2:26:01 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: Zionist Conspirator
G-d

Oh, by the way... it's spelled

G-O-D.

God. Say it along with me. God. It's easy, and not nearly as ridiculous as "G-d."
68 posted on 08/19/2004 2:28:10 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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