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FLASH: Rasmussen Poll Labor Day: Bush 48 - Kerry 47
Rasmussen Reports ^ | September 6, 2004

Posted on 09/06/2004 9:02:37 AM PDT by nwrep

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To: Republican Wildcat

I thought Zogby's final presidential poll in 2000 showed a dead heat, with a very slight edge to Gore nationally. That's how the election turned out. Gore barely won the popular vote in a dead heat, with GW winning the electoral college. Correct me if I am wrong on that.

All I remember is reading on Freep in the 30 days before the 2000 election that we didn't have to worry, since the Rassmussen and Battleground polls (which showed GW with a decent lead) were more accurate than Zogby.

It just didn't turn out to be the case. People can nitpick Zogby about state by state situations or congressional campaigns, but I think his overall take on the Presidential stuff is accurate.

IMHO people hold it against Zogby polls because of his politics. But if I am running GW's campaign, I am watching Zogby more than I am looking at Rasmussen.


41 posted on 09/06/2004 9:41:36 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Dales

Goody, the mindreading raygun works! By the way, is my memory fuzzy or weren't there several daily tracking polls in 2000?


42 posted on 09/06/2004 9:43:42 AM PDT by Nataku X (John sez: NO BLOOD FOR PURPLE HEARTS!)
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To: Nakatu X

The whole Ramussen "tracking survey" is an outlier. I don't buy it for a minute. If it was true, you wouldn't be seeing Kerry act with such desperation. Every real world indication tells us Bush is on the boards up by double digits.


43 posted on 09/06/2004 9:44:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SteveAustin

G.W.'s DUI came out those final few days.

The previous polls didn't factor in that particular "October surprise".


44 posted on 09/06/2004 9:44:48 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: nwrep; Torie; ambrose; Dales
Why are some @ FREEREPUBLIC obsessed with /Rasmussen Machine polls?
45 posted on 09/06/2004 9:45:31 AM PDT by KQQL
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To: kesg

That Bush leads at all with those percentages is quite astounding. Rasmussen has become way too timid since 2000.


46 posted on 09/06/2004 9:45:36 AM PDT by Nataku X (John sez: NO BLOOD FOR PURPLE HEARTS!)
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To: KQQL

We have no life.

Seriously, I'm guessing a lot of us are engineers/programmers and we love numbers even if it's from a bad source.


47 posted on 09/06/2004 9:46:41 AM PDT by Nataku X (John sez: NO BLOOD FOR PURPLE HEARTS!)
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To: KQQL

I tell you NONE of this is true. This is a GIGO poll. If the race were tied, Kerry would NOT be shaking up his campaign staff! Ramussen is just about the most unreliable pollster I've ever seen. He makes Zogby's "special sauce" method look attractive.


48 posted on 09/06/2004 9:47:37 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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POA POLL AKA Rasmussen Reports last 2000 poll

Bush 49%
Gore 40%
(YEA RIGHT)


49 posted on 09/06/2004 9:47:39 AM PDT by KQQL
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To: erotemi1
Other data released yesterday shows that Zell Miller is now viewed through and entirely partisan prism--Bush voters love him and Kerry voters hate him.

and what do independents think?

50 posted on 09/06/2004 9:48:12 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: KQQL

I'm not! LOL

I find a few statements in here interesting though. For instance, I'd like to hear what FDR/JFK/REAGAN/9-11 Democrats thought of Zell's speech. Instead we were given what Liberals thought of it, and I could have predicted that assessment.

Tell the truth I'm not too certain how to take any of the polls coming out during Labor Day weekend. I would think most people would be on vacation.


51 posted on 09/06/2004 9:48:38 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: nwrep

Rasmussen has really been holding back since their 2000 debacle, I dont consider their numbers accurate..


52 posted on 09/06/2004 9:50:45 AM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gilliam

ROFL. Maybe Ramussen's garbage is a Rove plant designed to keep the DU Dummies dreaming Kerry's on the verge of a comeback. I'm sure now its all part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy's bid to make it look like its STILL a horse race! :)


53 posted on 09/06/2004 9:50:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nakatu X

Yes, but not this early with one exception. In addition to the Rasmussen tracking poll, in 2000 during the conventions Battleground (Goeas and Lake) had tracking polls.

Later, Zogby, Gallup and one other that is escaping my memory joined in, but most of those started in October.


54 posted on 09/06/2004 9:52:56 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales

Where is the gallup poll?

What are they are hiding?


55 posted on 09/06/2004 9:55:20 AM PDT by KQQL
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To: KQQL

Did Rasumussen really have Bush up 49-40 on his last poll? I don't think GW's DUI really brought him down from a 9pt lead. Besides, if that was a factor, give Zogby credit for seeing it (or at least factoring it into his final poll)

Didn't Zogby also hit the 1996 Presidential race dead on as well?

Zogby's September 2nd poll has GW 46%, Kerry 44%. Personally, I think that is right on.

This thing is going to be a horse-race until the end. Hopefully GW can keep the momentum.


56 posted on 09/06/2004 9:55:40 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Nakatu X
We have no life.

I'm having wild sex with multiple partners while reading and posting.

Oooh, baby - go down!
57 posted on 09/06/2004 9:57:05 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: SamAdams76; Dales

Rasmussen is right and everyone else is wrong, or Rasmussen is wrong and everyone else is right.

Rasmussen's poll has not changed significantly for months. He has had Kerry with a slight, within-the-margin-of-error lead for some time. Now he has them even again.

He uses likely voters, so there's no telling his LV formula and how he derives it from his registered voters numbers.

Last election Rasmussen failed on election day, but there's good reason to believe that he was accurate right up to the time when the alcohol issue broke against Pres. Bush. Perhaps His automated polling simply wasn't able to pick up on nuances in those last few days before the voting and he ended up wrong.

My sense of the interviews I've seen him in is that he leans in a republican direction.

He might be attempting to keep the faithful from going overboard in enthusiasm. Better they think it's close and that they need to keep waging war.


58 posted on 09/06/2004 9:57:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: SteveAustin
Plus Zogby polls tend to have wild swings at the last second, even when there's no last second surprise to impact voters. Why? Because his earlier polls are usually meant to influence voters towards his clients (or potential clients). But he then covers his butt by doing a poll at the last second, usually late the night before the vote, then publishes that poll as the final one that he'll then claim to show how accurate he was. Even if that poll contradicts his earlier ones, he simply claims that there was a last second change of mind.

With regards to Bush, he and his brother consider him to be a threat to Arabs, so he'll do whatever it takes to zap the President.

59 posted on 09/06/2004 9:59:03 AM PDT by LenS
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To: SteveAustin

Last POA POLL AKA Rasmussen Reports last 2000 poll

Bush 49%
Gore 40%
(YEA RIGHT)


Last Zogby poll
Gore 48%
Bush 46%

Gallup
Bush48%
Gore46%


60 posted on 09/06/2004 9:59:17 AM PDT by KQQL
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